Clean house now

TheOak · 12-03-2023, 05:59 PM

Causation can often be difficult to nail down especially with an organization that has this many moving parts. My best stab at a summary looks like this…

Seventeen years ago Sean Payton and Drew Brees joined this organization and arguably changed its course. Just two years after both have departed and the organization is exactly where it was before they arrived. Nothing was learned, no culture seeded.

We went from a coach that couldn’t be baited by the press to one that will argue with his players in the media.

Sinner · 12-03-2023, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Causation can often be difficult to nail down especially with an organization that has this many moving parts. My best stab at a summary looks like this…

Seventeen years ago Sean Payton and Drew Brees joined this organization and arguably changed its course. Just two years after both have departed and the organization is exactly where it was before they arrived. Nothing was learned, no culture seeded.

We went from a coach that couldn’t be baited by the press to one that will argue with his players in the media.

Our problem seems to stem from the top (ownership) down (coaches/staff/players) and ultimately drops on the fans, who those at the top CLEARLY have little to no concern for. And that’s a big problem.

TheOak · 12-04-2023, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Our problem seems to stem from the top (ownership) down (coaches/staff/players) and ultimately drops on the fans, who those at the top CLEARLY have little to no concern for. And that’s a big problem.

Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas.

And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career.

Sinner · 12-04-2023, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas.

And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career.

Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop.

TheOak · 12-04-2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop.

We should just keep doing what we are doing, hoping that the other 31 teams get worse than we are.

Championship!!

K Major · 12-04-2023, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop.

What's even scarier is that by defeating the next two NFL bottom dweller opponents (Panthers, Giants) will save the substitute teachers job.

Putting up a "good fight" against the Lions (#32nd in redzone defense) actually may have already done it

.

Sad times ahead for this franchise.

K Major · 12-14-2023, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas.

And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career.

His most recent statement to the media (Katherine Terrell) about Jimmy Graham being "inactive" is a microcsm of what is wrong with Allen and why he will NEVER be even an average NFL head.

Even with this so called "easy" 2023 schedule, we are losing to backup QBs, & having already lost to Tampa AND Atlanta.

Currently a game below .500

He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB.

neugey · 12-14-2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB.

And it's a stretch to consider Carr an average QB at this point. Trying to get an accurate pass out of him is like trying to get the government to disclose UFO info.

iceshack149 · 12-14-2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

His most recent statement to the media (Katherine Terrell) about Jimmy Graham being "inactive" is a microcsm of what is wrong with Allen and why he will NEVER be even an average NFL head.

Even with this so called "easy" 2023 schedule, we are losing to backup QBs, & having already lost to Tampa AND Atlanta.

Currently a game below .500

He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB.

I honestly don't know what to make of Carr. With Gruden he was above average. With any other coach he's been... sufficient. I don't think he has the "it" factor so since the Saints are stuck with him they need to get a smart, demanding coach that knows how to use the whole team to win.

K Major · 12-03-2023, 06:27 PM

Just watching the Niners/Eagles game today.

Both of teams (Dallas as well) play on a different level.

Saints are no where close. We got to get real coaching in here
if you want to truly compete with the big boys in Dec/January.

A participation trophy isn’t gonna cut it.

12-03-2023, 05:59 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Clean house now Causation can often be difficult to nail down especially with an organization that has this many moving parts. My best stab at a summary looks like this… Seventeen years ago Sean Payton and Drew Brees joined this organization and arguably changed its course. Just two years after both have departed and the organization is exactly where it was before they arrived. Nothing was learned, no culture seeded. We went from a coach that couldn’t be baited by the press to one that will argue with his players in the media. iceshack149, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-03-2023, 06:09 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by TheOak Causation can often be difficult to nail down especially with an organization that has this many moving parts. My best stab at a summary looks like this… Seventeen years ago Sean Payton and Drew Brees joined this organization and arguably changed its course. Just two years after both have departed and the organization is exactly where it was before they arrived. Nothing was learned, no culture seeded. We went from a coach that couldn’t be baited by the press to one that will argue with his players in the media. Our problem seems to stem from the top (ownership) down (coaches/staff/players) and ultimately drops on the fans, who those at the top CLEARLY have little to no concern for. And that’s a big problem.
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12-04-2023, 08:58 AM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by TheOak Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas. And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career. Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop.
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12-04-2023, 09:38 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Sinner Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop. We should just keep doing what we are doing, hoping that the other 31 teams get worse than we are. Championship!!

12-04-2023, 10:05 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Sinner Next year at this time, we might be 6-6… Let him develop. What's even scarier is that by defeating the next two NFL bottom dweller opponents (Panthers, Giants) will save the substitute teachers job. Putting up a "good fight" against the Lions (#32nd in redzone defense) actually may have already done it . Sad times ahead for this franchise. MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-04-2023, 08:18 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Sinner Our problem seems to stem from the top (ownership) down (coaches/staff/players) and ultimately drops on the fans, who those at the top CLEARLY have little to no concern for. And that’s a big problem. Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas. And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

12-14-2023, 09:56 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by TheOak Agreed. We had all hoped that Dennis Allen would have a better record here in New Orleans as HC than he had in Las Vegas. And what do ya know… his 5-7 is the best record of his career. His most recent statement to the media (Katherine Terrell) about Jimmy Graham being "inactive" is a microcsm of what is wrong with Allen and why he will NEVER be even an average NFL head. Even with this so called "easy" 2023 schedule, we are losing to backup QBs, & having already lost to Tampa AND Atlanta. Currently a game below .500 He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB.

12-14-2023, 11:36 AM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by K Major He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB. And it's a stretch to consider Carr an average QB at this point. Trying to get an accurate pass out of him is like trying to get the government to disclose UFO info. K Major likes this.

12-14-2023, 11:36 AM	#9
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by K Major His most recent statement to the media (Katherine Terrell) about Jimmy Graham being "inactive" is a microcsm of what is wrong with Allen and why he will NEVER be even an average NFL head. Even with this so called "easy" 2023 schedule, we are losing to backup QBs, & having already lost to Tampa AND Atlanta. Currently a game below .500 He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB. I honestly don't know what to make of Carr. With Gruden he was above average. With any other coach he's been... sufficient. I don't think he has the "it" factor so since the Saints are stuck with him they need to get a smart, demanding coach that knows how to use the whole team to win. Sinner likes this.

12-03-2023, 06:27 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Clean house now Just watching the Niners/Eagles game today. Both of teams (Dallas as well) play on a different level. Saints are no where close. We got to get real coaching in here if you want to truly compete with the big boys in Dec/January. A participation trophy isn’t gonna cut it. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.