Clean house now

neugey · 12-06-2023, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Saints general manager's comments reveal a shocking lack of awareness

Loomis doesn't need an understanding of the sudden psychosis of the unwashed masses in the Superdome. Those matters are beneath him.

Rugby Saint II · 12-07-2023, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Loomis doesn't need an understanding of the sudden psychosis of the unwashed masses in the Superdome. Those matters are beneath him.

Mickey Loomis doesn't roll with the tide. He makes a long term plan and sticks with it while making modifications along the way. He has given DA a three year plan and he'll be back again for next year.

Knee jerk reactions after losses are what keep a franchise in the cellar. Look at Jerry Jones And Al Davis if you want to look at how owners who follow the mob mentality ruin top draft picks.

Loomis might fire DA if he craps the bed the reset of the season. But, most likely, Loomis will fire PC after the season as a scapegoat to appease the fans. But unfortunately, DA will be back!

BakoSaint · 12-07-2023, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Mickey Loomis doesn't roll with the tide. He makes a long term plan and sticks with it while making modifications along the way. He has given DA a three year plan and he'll be back again for next year.

Knee jerk reactions after losses are what keep a franchise in the cellar. Look at Jerry Jones And Al Davis if you want to look at how owners who follow the mob mentality ruin top draft picks.

Loomis might fire DA if he craps the bed the reset of the season. But, most likely, Loomis will fire PC after the season as a scapegoat to appease the fans. But unfortunately, DA will be back!

Mao had 5 year plans. Do we need to see 50 million people starve to death to judge that the DA hire ain't working when he has never beat a winning team with its starting QB active in 5 years as a head coach?

There were many calls for Al Davis and Jerry Jones to fire their GMs over the year. Neither ever fired themselves. Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!!

AsylumGuido · 12-07-2023, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Mao had 5 year plans. Do we need to see 50 million people starve to death to judge that the DA hire ain't working when he has never beat a winning team with its starting QB active in 5 years as a head coach?

There were many calls for Al Davis and Jerry Jones to fire their GMs over the year. Neither ever fired themselves. Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!!

Ever thought of tattooing that on your forehead?

Sinner · 12-07-2023, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ever thought of tattooing that on your forehead?

He needs to tattoo it on YOUR head… facing INWARD.

neugey · 12-07-2023, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!!

In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM:

Brian Cashman (Yankees)
Jerry Jones (Cowboys)*
Bill Belichick (Patriots)*
Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals)

Pat Riley (Heat)*

The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile.

That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past.

Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity.

AsylumGuido · 12-07-2023, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM:

Brian Cashman (Yankees)
Jerry Jones (Cowboys)*
Bill Belichick (Patriots)*
Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals)

Pat Riley (Heat)*

The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile.

That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past.

Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity.

What's Mickey's career record?

Sinner · 12-07-2023, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What's Mickey's career record?

His record is “We have the right people in the building” (2023) PERIOD.

Rugby Saint II · 12-08-2023, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What's Mickey's career record?

People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear.

neugey · 12-08-2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear.

I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left.

Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

12-06-2023, 04:46 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by iceshack149 Saints general manager's comments reveal a shocking lack of awareness Loomis doesn't need an understanding of the sudden psychosis of the unwashed masses in the Superdome. Those matters are beneath him.

12-07-2023, 03:48 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by neugey Loomis doesn't need an understanding of the sudden psychosis of the unwashed masses in the Superdome. Those matters are beneath him. Mickey Loomis doesn't roll with the tide. He makes a long term plan and sticks with it while making modifications along the way. He has given DA a three year plan and he'll be back again for next year. Knee jerk reactions after losses are what keep a franchise in the cellar. Look at Jerry Jones And Al Davis if you want to look at how owners who follow the mob mentality ruin top draft picks. Loomis might fire DA if he craps the bed the reset of the season. But, most likely, Loomis will fire PC after the season as a scapegoat to appease the fans. But unfortunately, DA will be back! Sinner likes this.
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12-07-2023, 05:18 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Mickey Loomis doesn't roll with the tide. He makes a long term plan and sticks with it while making modifications along the way. He has given DA a three year plan and he'll be back again for next year. Knee jerk reactions after losses are what keep a franchise in the cellar. Look at Jerry Jones And Al Davis if you want to look at how owners who follow the mob mentality ruin top draft picks. Loomis might fire DA if he craps the bed the reset of the season. But, most likely, Loomis will fire PC after the season as a scapegoat to appease the fans. But unfortunately, DA will be back! Mao had 5 year plans. Do we need to see 50 million people starve to death to judge that the DA hire ain't working when he has never beat a winning team with its starting QB active in 5 years as a head coach? There were many calls for Al Davis and Jerry Jones to fire their GMs over the year. Neither ever fired themselves. Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!! neugey and Sinner like this.
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12-07-2023, 05:24 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by BakoSaint Mao had 5 year plans. Do we need to see 50 million people starve to death to judge that the DA hire ain't working when he has never beat a winning team with its starting QB active in 5 years as a head coach? There were many calls for Al Davis and Jerry Jones to fire their GMs over the year. Neither ever fired themselves. Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!! Ever thought of tattooing that on your forehead? Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-07-2023, 05:28 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ever thought of tattooing that on your forehead? He needs to tattoo it on YOUR head… facing INWARD. K Major likes this.
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12-07-2023, 07:17 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by BakoSaint Al Davis and Jerry Jones are actually examples of why a team should not keep a GM for 20+ years when his success is in the rear view mirror and he is way too old. The lesson of the Raiders and Cowboys is FIRE MICKEY LOOMIS!!! In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM: Brian Cashman (Yankees) Jerry Jones (Cowboys)* Bill Belichick (Patriots)* Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals) Pat Riley (Heat)* The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile. That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past. Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity.

12-07-2023, 07:57 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by neugey In the four major American team sports, here is the list of GM's who have served longer than Mickey as GM: Brian Cashman (Yankees) Jerry Jones (Cowboys)* Bill Belichick (Patriots)* Mike Brown/Duke Tobin (Bengals) Pat Riley (Heat)* The guys with a (*) are current/future hall-of-famers who might have a few blind spots but are all far, far more intelligent men than Mickey by a country mile. That leaves us with Cashman (4 championship rings) and Brown/Tobin (Bengals had a mediocre existence but have been killing it the last 3+ years). While Loomis has more or less been going in the opposite direction of the Bengals. And we aren't run anything like the Yankees, actually more like the Mets - disastrous win-now strategies get used and we think the franchise is God's gift to sports just because we won a championship or two in the past. Mickey is a do-nothing optimist with zero objectivity. What's Mickey's career record?

12-07-2023, 07:59 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What's Mickey's career record? His record is “We have the right people in the building” (2023) PERIOD.
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12-08-2023, 01:21 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What's Mickey's career record? People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear. AsylumGuido likes this.

12-08-2023, 03:22 PM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Clean house now Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II People tend to forget that we won a Superbowl under the Mickster. We also have had one of the best records in all of football even with three 7-9 seasons under Payton. Think about it for a moment. Loomis screwed the pooch when he hired DA. Let him fix his mistakes. He seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe he just needs a fresh voice whispering in his ear. I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left. Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

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