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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by SmashMouth It's the only way... it'll hurt for a year or two. But we have "pretty boy" who can't be any worse, really. Might even be a surprise. We'll suck for a year or two also, but ...
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12-06-2023, 12:15 PM | #11 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Originally Posted by SmashMouth
Have family in Fresno when visiting went them to a Fresno State game. Haener was impressive, athletic, read the field well with a decent arm. This was 2021 well before any NFL/Saints correlation. Had not heard or seen Haener before that weekend or after till draft 2023.
Preseason this year did not go as well as it could have when Haener played, but again he was playing primarily with backups at best, practice squad players and roster cuts. Giving Haener a couple or 3 games play with the starters this season would definitely show us if the young man has the it factor or not. Either way we still draft a QB just where and how aggressive the Saints get would depend on how Haener plays IF given playing time. I do not think there will be a move to release Carr after this season regardless if Allen remains the head coach or hopefully both Allen and Carmichael have been replaced. First Kamara then Saunders exposing the lack Offensive and Defensive pregame scouting and game planning that does not prepare the players for what they will see from the opponents. So as Saunders stated after 2 or 3 series we figure it out and our play shows how we can play if we had been prepared better to paraphrase. With Carmichaels lack of scheme, consistency in his use of our playmakers, game planning, play design, play calling and in game flow play calls in my opinion just does not allow this offense operate efficiently. Carr has not played up to expectations but who has on the offensive unit over that last two seasons, QB’s?, running back?, receivers?, offensive line?, and it’s getting worst. Add to this mess Allen’s defense is not anywhere close to where it has rank in the past. There is only one constant in this equation … coaching. Regardless of how this season end changes need to happen and hopefully, the next coaching staff can evaluate and decide who stays and who goes as we move forward. Jus saying WhoDat67 |
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12-06-2023, 12:40 PM | #12 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Originally Posted by papz
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Pretty crazy that we didn't make a legitimate move to get a QB to develop under Drew Brees. Now that golden opportunity is long gone, and whoever we do eventually draft will have crazy expectations & will likely have to start in year 1. Lowering the probability of having much success . |
12-06-2023, 04:06 PM | #13 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
I'm slowly coming around to thinking that Loomis might have some of the blame for our current situation. I mean, after all he did hire Allen and run with the continuity rather than getting fresh ideas.
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12-06-2023, 04:44 PM | #14 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
If there is one surefire rule for teams/GM's in the NFL if it is this: If you decide to hire a retread head coach such that he failed in his first or first few go-arounds, it's fine, but if it's not looking like a real turnaround ala Pete Carroll or Belichick you've got to get off that path real quick and cut your losses! |
12-06-2023, 08:20 PM | #15 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Just cutting Carr this offseason is possible but I can't understate that it would be VERY VERY VERY costly to your salary cap. In order to get under the Salary Cap we have to restructure about 2/3rds of our starter level veteran contracts. But Carr is the biggest contract on that list. If we cut Carr we cannot restructure him, and he is like 1/3rd of our restructuring budget with his contract alone, while cutting him would have a reverse effect, adding more dead cap hit from prorated bonuses. The result of outright cutting Carr rather than trading him (where the traded salary more than counters the dead cap from prorated bonuses) would be a giant cap hit that would mean we have to restructure and kick the can on virtually every other veteran on the team. That means a lot of 2025+ dollars accounting to Jordan, Davis, Kamara, Hill, Maye, Mathieu, Ramczyk, Lattimore, etc. Basically if we rebuild by cutting car we can't move on from anyone else, sign anyone (I don't think we should sign any big free agents this offseason anyway), or stop kicking the can with anyone (I might like to avoid restructuring some aging players like Kamara, Ramczyk, or Lattimore so that we have options if they stop performing well in 2024). If we were able to trade Carr by including picks, it would make the cap pain much less, and then we would have more options on other players to move on if they dont fit the new coaches system, avoid kicking the can if we want to keep them but be responsible, or add new players if absolutely needed.
Giving Haener a chance at the end of this year or next year would be reasonable. Although Carroll and Belichick did not light the world on fire in their first coaching gigs, they had winning seasons in tough divisions and generally won more than 4 games per year. Also with Belichick I remember the Browns improved the year he joined and backslid the year after he left. With Dennis Allen it was the reverse, the Raiders were better the year before he arrived and better the year after he left. |
12-07-2023, 01:17 PM | #16 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Cut Bait... start all over; like a new franchise team.
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12-07-2023, 05:01 PM | #17 |
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Re: Crazy Rebuild Accelerator Idea: Trade our 1st to dump Carr's guarantees in Goff/Osweiler Style Trade
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Keep Carr for another while we train a new QB or Jake Haener. Whichever one is better. In reality, we are tied to Carr for a year. Don't cut him and pay him too.
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12-07-2023, 05:04 PM | #18 |
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