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Sinner 12-17-2023 02:55 PM

OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS WIN OVER THE GIANTS
 
Well… Somebody had to win this one…

SmashMouth 12-17-2023 02:57 PM

Observations from the Saints' Win vs Giants
 
Game ball to the defense, especially for not making DeVito look like an all-pro.

Grambeaux making a difference yet again. Makes you wonder why he wasn't utilized more earlier.

DC4's average play was good enough today. With a real QB, we blow this team out.

Refs sucked yet again. Need booth reviews for bad refs calls.

Hard to believe we're three games away from winning the division. You look around the league this year, plenty of teams have losses. I wonder if gambling interests have taken a firmer grip on the league.

Enjoy this win as we remain in first place in the NFC South.

dizzle88 12-17-2023 03:07 PM

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Nice to see Carr play as expected against a bad team.

Still kind of concerned that we scored 7 points the entire first half and then seemed to come alive in the 2nd.

After all, Dennis Allen said "half time adjustments are overrated." Yet his team continues to look better in 2nd half of every game

stickman 12-17-2023 04:23 PM

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I thought the game felt closer than the score until late in the 4th. And I know it was close for most of the game, but the Giants weren't doing anything offensively and the Saints couldn't pull away until the end.

That said, they got the win.

Papa Voodoo 12-17-2023 05:04 PM

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Nice to see energy and all phases executing well. That was a team out there finally. Nice to see them play well.

rezburna 12-17-2023 05:21 PM

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Still not seeing the concepts I want on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively we still need another edge rusher. They won a game they were supposed to win, but they don’t always do that which is why our record is what it is. Seeing how they’re back to .500 they’ll probably lose the next two in typical DA fashion.

BakoSaint 12-17-2023 06:39 PM

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One downside, even in possibly Carr’s best week with the Saints, Mayfield plays better. Everyone who said to gamble on cheap Mayfield instead of expensive Carr was right. Tampa still has the edge on us, and is doing it WHILE rebuilding.

voodooido 12-17-2023 09:08 PM

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We won with most of the wr room hurt. I’ll take it. Not a great game played by no means but better than most games this year.

leilung 12-18-2023 06:56 AM

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It was a game we were supposed to win. If they win out, perhaps it will change my mind about this dumpster fire of a season.

Rugby Saint II 12-18-2023 01:48 PM

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We beat a team that's worse than we are. Woop Tee Doo!

neugey 12-18-2023 02:05 PM

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In the NFL if you can get 6+ sacks and countless pressures in a game it's a fragrance that covers up all other issues and pretty much will hand you the win.

The real shocker is holding down Barkley. How the heck did we set the edge for once?

But a result or two more like this could see me upgrade Dennis Allen from the horrible tier to the Jason Garrett "meh" tier.

Rugby Saint II 12-18-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 988693)
In the NFL if you can get 6+ sacks and countless pressures in a game it's a fragrance that covers up all other issues and pretty much will hand you the win.

The real shocker is holding down Barkley. How the heck did we set the edge for once?

But a result or two more like this could see me upgrade Dennis Allen from the horrible tier to the Jason Garrett "meh" tier.

Nah! Dennis Allen is horrible and can't get better. No matter how you wrap iit. A **** sandwich is still a**** sandwich.

Sinner 12-18-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 988693)
In the NFL if you can get 6+ sacks and countless pressures in a game it's a fragrance that covers up all other issues and pretty much will hand you the win.

The real shocker is holding down Barkley. How the heck did we set the edge for once?

But a result or two more like this could see me upgrade Dennis Allen from the horrible tier to the Jason Garrett "meh" tier.

“nah” tier.

AsylumGuido 12-18-2023 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 988657)
Nice to see Carr play as expected against a bad team.

Still kind of concerned that we scored 7 points the entire first half and then seemed to come alive in the 2nd.

After all, Dennis Allen said "half time adjustments are overrated." Yet his team continues to look better in 2nd half of every game

When did Dennis Allen say that? Missed it.

AsylumGuido 12-18-2023 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 988696)
Nah! Dennis Allen is horrible and can't get better. No matter how you wrap iit. A **** sandwich is still a**** sandwich.

Decided to join the haters, huh, my friend? :(

What I was watching yesterday was no where near a **** sandwich! x(

Sinner 12-18-2023 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988713)
Decided to join the haters, huh, my friend? :(

What I was watching yesterday was no where near a **** sandwich! x(

If you don’t believe that a sh*t sandwich can become a Vince Lombardi, it doesn’t make you a hater. It means you’re a Realist. And a Real Fan.

K Major 12-18-2023 07:37 PM

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Right

AsylumGuido 12-18-2023 07:39 PM

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My observations from the game.

One of the best crowds I've seen this season. All the regulars were in our section.

Visiting fans were sparse and not very vocal at all.

The was a smattering of boos when Carr was introduced, but they were drowned out by the cheers.

The defense was smothering. They were flying around the field.

The Alontae Taylor unnecessary roughness penalty was bogus and the crowd booed for real for quite awhile.

I was fun watching the Giants fans streaming out with lots of time left in the game. It was obvious their team was greatly outclassed. I guess drinking on Bourbon Street seemed like more fun.

The offensive line really held up well without Ramczyk. Surprising.

The young WR's are looking like they're finally catching on.

The balance on offense was great. 29 runs and 28 passes. Maybe Carmichael is getting a clue.

Oh, and the Ying Yang Twins halftime show had the crowd buzzing coming into the 2nd half kickoff.

:bng:

AsylumGuido 12-19-2023 08:20 AM

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AsylumGuido 12-19-2023 05:59 PM

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Horrible, horrible call.


neugey 12-19-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988762)
Horrible, horrible call.


I've said it before and I'll say it again - the NFL needs to make all Personal Fouls/Face Mask/Targeting/Late Hit/Unnecessary Roughness calls automatically reviewed by the booth just like scoring plays are. I don't care if it adds another 5-15 minutes to game time. These phantom calls often swing games.

shawnkytonk 12-19-2023 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 988714)
If you don’t believe that a sh*t sandwich can become a Vince Lombardi, it doesn’t make you a hater. It means you’re a Realist. And a Real Fan.

Actually, real fans don’t talk about not supporting their team in the manner you speak of to be quite honest. It sucks being a fan of this team right now all things considered. But I’ve been a fan since ‘85, so I’ve seen darker days, but not as dark as others. Show me any franchise that doesn’t see their team not be the cream of the crop anywhere in their history please. NE was a dynasty for 20 years and look at them now. Your whining is tiresome, and you seriously stalk Guido on a daily basis. I thought you were actually saintfan before he even brought it up. You’re worse than what you cry about on a daily basis.

Sinner 12-19-2023 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 988764)
Actually, real fans don’t talk about not supporting their team in the manner you speak of to be quite honest. It sucks being a fan of this team right now all things considered. But I’ve been a fan since ‘85, so I’ve seen darker days, but not as dark as others. Show me any franchise that doesn’t see their team not be the cream of the crop anywhere in their history please. NE was a dynasty for 20 years and look at them now. Your whining is tiresome, and you seriously stalk Guido on a daily basis. I thought you were actually saintfan before he even brought it up. You’re worse than what you cry about on a daily basis.

“Yeah well you know, that’s just like uh, your opinion, man.”

AsylumGuido 12-20-2023 08:10 AM

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I did see Moreau down on the field exchanging jerseys with someone. I should have known it would be Waller. In fact, I can't remember seeing so many players exchanging jerseys after the game. There must have been five pairings of players on their hands and knees down there with their jerseys laid out on the turf signing away with their magic markers.


AsylumGuido 12-20-2023 09:13 AM

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AsylumGuido 12-20-2023 09:16 AM

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saintsfan1976 12-20-2023 09:28 AM

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We beat a 5-8 team with a backup QB.

Soundly, yes. But I'll be impressed if we beat the Rams.

K Major 12-20-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 988778)
We beat a 5-8 team with a backup QB.

Soundly, yes. But I'll be impressed if we beat the Rams.

This may be about as “competitive” of a team (possibly Tampa) that we will see down the stretch.

Two 7-7 teams but Sean McVay is still a good play caller & has a real QB.

It’ll be interesting :bng:

mapcow 12-20-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 988764)
Actually, real fans don’t talk about not supporting their team in the manner you speak of to be quite honest. It sucks being a fan of this team right now all things considered. But I’ve been a fan since ‘85, so I’ve seen darker days, but not as dark as others. Show me any franchise that doesn’t see their team not be the cream of the crop anywhere in their history please. NE was a dynasty for 20 years and look at them now. Your whining is tiresome, and you seriously stalk Guido on a daily basis. I thought you were actually saintfan before he even brought it up. You’re worse than what you cry about on a daily basis.

'85.... lmao. been a fan since the franchise started '66. True fans do criticize and expect a winner. Quido deserves what he gets.... :beatnik:

Sinner 12-20-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 988790)
'85.... lmao. been a fan since the franchise started '66. True fans do criticize and expect a winner. Quido deserves what he gets.... :beatnik:

And remember, it’s just a freaking game, where millionaires get to dress some of us up in merch, to watch them be mediocre. If you can’t take a ribbing for that, you shouldn’t leave your house.

BakoSaint 12-20-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 988764)
Actually, real fans don’t talk about not supporting their team in the manner you speak of to be quite honest. It sucks being a fan of this team right now all things considered. But I’ve been a fan since ‘85, so I’ve seen darker days, but not as dark as others. Show me any franchise that doesn’t see their team not be the cream of the crop anywhere in their history please. NE was a dynasty for 20 years and look at them now. Your whining is tiresome, and you seriously stalk Guido on a daily basis. I thought you were actually saintfan before he even brought it up. You’re worse than what you cry about on a daily basis.

While these may not be the rarest darkest days, what is really rare about the Saints right now is how glaringly the deny any self-criticism and stay saccharine positive after every crappy performance, loss, and scraping by against bad teams with 4th quarter rallies. In the past, coaches like Mora and Ditka seemed somehow upset by losing. This front office and coaching staff eat **** with a grin. I think that is why you see some fans being more negative than in the past, even when we may not be in darker days. We don't see the team taking any responsibility for their product, so we are left to call them out. If DA would take some responsibility, get in front of a mic, and admit that if he doesn't win a playoff game with all the talent on this team, with his power on decisions, and with all the money the team is spending, he probably doesn't deserve to stay on as HC, I would call him a brave man and cheer him on the rest of the year to achieve that brave goal of winning a playoff game. But he doesn't do that. Instead DA and Loomis insist nothing is wrong, that they have the right people and just need to keep doing what they are doing, and personally insult fans like me who demand results, saying we are part of some microwave society that does not appreciate the need to chop wood. I don't want to pay to watch you chop wood. Just take some responsibility, be angry about losing, and us fans can be less angry and be fans again. The problem is that DA and Loomis are being true happy go lucky fans, not leaders, which forces fans to be the leaders calling for accountability in the face of a clear obvious leadership vacuum. The mediocre performances are not rare, the leadership and accountability vacuum is. These are the darkest days for accountability.

AsylumGuido 12-20-2023 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 988778)
We beat a 5-8 team with a backup QB.

Soundly, yes. But I'll be impressed if we beat the Rams.

As they always say, "You can only play who's in front of you." And they also say, "Any given Sunday (or Thursday) any team in the NFL can beat any other."

Sinner 12-20-2023 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 988795)
While these may not be the rarest darkest days, what is really rare about the Saints right now is how glaringly the deny any self-criticism and stay saccharine positive after every crappy performance, loss, and scraping by against bad teams with 4th quarter rallies. In the past, coaches like Mora and Ditka seemed somehow upset by losing. This front office and coaching staff eat **** with a grin. I think that is why you see some fans being more negative than in the past, even when we may not be in darker days. We don't see the team taking any responsibility for their product, so we are left to call them out. If DA would take some responsibility, get in front of a mic, and admit that if he doesn't win a playoff game with all the talent on this team, with his power on decisions, and with all the money the team is spending, he probably doesn't deserve to stay on as HC, I would call him a brave man and cheer him on the rest of the year to achieve that brave goal of winning a playoff game. But he doesn't do that. Instead DA and Loomis insist nothing is wrong, that they have the right people and just need to keep doing what they are doing, and personally insult fans like me who demand results, saying we are part of some microwave society that does not appreciate the need to chop wood. I don't want to pay to watch you chop wood. Just take some responsibility, be angry about losing, and us fans can be less angry and be fans again. The problem is that DA and Loomis are being true happy go lucky fans, not leaders, which forces fans to be the leaders calling for accountability in the face of a clear obvious leadership vacuum. The mediocre performances are not rare, the leadership and accountability vacuum is. These are the darkest days for accountability.

I’ll be here, happily set to “ignore” by any Pollyanna that poops inside their cheerleader underwear week after mediocre week. I’ll be here until this team puts the right people in the building, and if and when that happens, where I can feel the excitement of a Brees/Colston or even a Brooks/Horn type game, I’ll be here. It’s just a freaking game, and a real fan expects to have fun with it.

AsylumGuido 12-20-2023 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 988795)
While these may not be the rarest darkest days, what is really rare about the Saints right now is how glaringly the deny any self-criticism and stay saccharine positive after every crappy performance, loss, and scraping by against bad teams with 4th quarter rallies. In the past, coaches like Mora and Ditka seemed somehow upset by losing. This front office and coaching staff eat **** with a grin. I think that is why you see some fans being more negative than in the past, even when we may not be in darker days. We don't see the team taking any responsibility for their product, so we are left to call them out. If DA would take some responsibility, get in front of a mic, and admit that if he doesn't win a playoff game with all the talent on this team, with his power on decisions, and with all the money the team is spending, he probably doesn't deserve to stay on as HC, I would call him a brave man and cheer him on the rest of the year to achieve that brave goal of winning a playoff game. But he doesn't do that. Instead DA and Loomis insist nothing is wrong, that they have the right people and just need to keep doing what they are doing, and personally insult fans like me who demand results, saying we are part of some microwave society that does not appreciate the need to chop wood. I don't want to pay to watch you chop wood. Just take some responsibility, be angry about losing, and us fans can be less angry and be fans again. The problem is that DA and Loomis are being true happy go lucky fans, not leaders, which forces fans to be the leaders calling for accountability in the face of a clear obvious leadership vacuum. The mediocre performances are not rare, the leadership and accountability vacuum is. These are the darkest days for accountability.

Sorry, but using Ditka as an example doesn't do much to help your argument. His 15-33 (.313) record as the Saints head coach is worse than either Allen's Saints' record (14-17 .452) or his overall record (22-45 .328).

Not that I'm a proponent of Allen's, but setting the "record" straight.

I'll give you Mora, however. ;)

Sinner 12-20-2023 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988801)
Sorry, but using Ditka as an example doesn't do much to help your argument. His 15-33 (.313) record as the Saints head coach is worse than either Allen's Saints' record (14-17 .452) or his overall record (22-45 .328).

Not that I'm a proponent of Allen's, but setting the "record" straight.

I'll give you Mora, however. ;)

At least Ditka had a personality. It matters at that position. At least we could have some fun watching the sidelines, while we suck on the field.

mapcow 12-20-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 988801)
Sorry, but using Ditka as an example doesn't do much to help your argument. His 15-33 (.313) record as the Saints head coach is worse than either Allen's Saints' record (14-17 .452) or his overall record (22-45 .328).

Not that I'm a proponent of Allen's, but setting the "record" straight.

I'll give you Mora, however. ;)

I'd take Ditka over Allen any day. :beatnik:

Sinner 12-20-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 988804)
I'd take Ditka over Allen any day. :beatnik:

Any day.


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