Is the QB position changing? More young talent?

rezburna · 12-17-2023, 03:36 PM

Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move.

BakoSaint · 12-17-2023, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move.

Maybe also the risk of letting your QB be mobile is less. If RG3 goes down, you have late pick Cousins behind them. If Burrow goes down Browing is pretty good. If Lance and Garappalo go down maybe the backup turns into Purdy. If the information age is giving every young prospect many of the resources that used to be limited to a Peyton or Eli Manning, then in the event your QB does go down running, the difficulty of replacing them is less, so you can more afford to take the risk. And this would apply not just to the NFL but to college and high school. A high school can more afford to let their QB run if his backup is a competent youtube junkie who has been perfecting all his moves since age 6 than if his backup is a random baseball pitcher who tried to learn QB from watching Brett Favre on a blurry CRT. So at every level you have more depth at QB and you can more afford to take the risk of a running QB style so you produce more competent running QBs and can more afford to utilize them.

SmashMouth · 12-17-2023, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move.

Also with injuries that are bound to happen to mobile QBs, because they are mobile, you can no longer pay them cap strangling dollars. They're becoming like RBs almost, and you can get away with cheaper talent . Pay the DL and OL and pay the QB less than what they are getting paid now . Quick reading and deciding QBs like Brady and Brees are far fewer as we all know than average QBs than can scramble out of trouble.

Jaylen Daniels of LSU is good but I haven't seen him read quickly. Same goes for Caleb Williams. Both are reportedly at the top of the 2024 NFL draft.

rezburna · 12-17-2023, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Also with injuries that are bound to happen to mobile QBs, because they are mobile, you can no longer pay them cap strangling dollars. They're becoming like RBs almost, and you can get away with cheaper talent . Pay the DL and OL and pay the QB less than what they are getting paid now . Quick reading and deciding QBs like Brady and Brees are far fewer as we all know than average QBs than can scramble out of trouble.

Jaylen Daniels of LSU is good but I haven't seen him read quickly. Same goes for Caleb Williams. Both are reportedly at the top of the 2024 NFL draft.

I’m almost as high on Daniels as I was on Stroud. If I was to draft him I’d give him the best offensive line in the league and let him air it out.

K Major · 12-21-2023, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m almost as high on Daniels as I was on Stroud. If I was to draft him I’d give him the best offensive line in the league and let him air it out.

Speaking of olines, Saints will need to bring in another RT in 2024.

Soon. Ramz (out tonight) knee is starting to wear down & it’s not going to get better with rest

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Big picture, we need to get younger. Mathieu, Cam, Maye, Taysom, MT, Demario etc. A lot of aging vets.

MatthewT · 12-21-2023, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Speaking of olines, Saints will need to bring in another RT in 2024.

Soon. Ramz (out tonight) knee is starting to wear down & it’s not going to get better with rest .

Big picture, we need to get younger. Mathieu, Cam, Maye, Taysom, MT, Demario etc. A lot of aging vets.

That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft.

Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round.

K Major · 12-21-2023, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft.

Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round.

You're right brother.

Glad you brought up Tulane . Last year I was banging the drum for the Saints to draft Tyjae Spears @ RB but for whatever reason (I assume medical or we just ignore talent in our backyard) scouts opted to go with Kendre Miller

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Spears has been impactful and productive (has played in all 14 games) for the Titans. Miller .. not so much. IMO the Saints will need to re visit the 2024 draft @ RB. KM is not going to last long term.

And Pratt? I'll be keeping an eye on his draft stock in the coming months.

rezburna · 12-21-2023, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft.

Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round.

I love Pratt as a prospect.

12-17-2023, 03:36 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move. neugey, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-17-2023, 03:46 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,385	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by rezburna Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move. Maybe also the risk of letting your QB be mobile is less. If RG3 goes down, you have late pick Cousins behind them. If Burrow goes down Browing is pretty good. If Lance and Garappalo go down maybe the backup turns into Purdy. If the information age is giving every young prospect many of the resources that used to be limited to a Peyton or Eli Manning, then in the event your QB does go down running, the difficulty of replacing them is less, so you can more afford to take the risk. And this would apply not just to the NFL but to college and high school. A high school can more afford to let their QB run if his backup is a competent youtube junkie who has been perfecting all his moves since age 6 than if his backup is a random baseball pitcher who tried to learn QB from watching Brett Favre on a blurry CRT. So at every level you have more depth at QB and you can more afford to take the risk of a running QB style so you produce more competent running QBs and can more afford to utilize them.
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12-17-2023, 04:25 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,730 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by rezburna Every good QB is mobile in 2023. Whether they’re as dynamic as Lamar, Jalen, or Josh Allen or play extenders like Burrow, Mahomes, and Dak…you gotta be able to move. Also with injuries that are bound to happen to mobile QBs, because they are mobile, you can no longer pay them cap strangling dollars. They're becoming like RBs almost, and you can get away with cheaper talent . Pay the DL and OL and pay the QB less than what they are getting paid now . Quick reading and deciding QBs like Brady and Brees are far fewer as we all know than average QBs than can scramble out of trouble. Jaylen Daniels of LSU is good but I haven't seen him read quickly. Same goes for Caleb Williams. Both are reportedly at the top of the 2024 NFL draft.

12-17-2023, 04:42 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Also with injuries that are bound to happen to mobile QBs, because they are mobile, you can no longer pay them cap strangling dollars. They're becoming like RBs almost, and you can get away with cheaper talent . Pay the DL and OL and pay the QB less than what they are getting paid now . Quick reading and deciding QBs like Brady and Brees are far fewer as we all know than average QBs than can scramble out of trouble. Jaylen Daniels of LSU is good but I haven't seen him read quickly. Same goes for Caleb Williams. Both are reportedly at the top of the 2024 NFL draft. I’m almost as high on Daniels as I was on Stroud. If I was to draft him I’d give him the best offensive line in the league and let him air it out.

12-21-2023, 09:04 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by rezburna I’m almost as high on Daniels as I was on Stroud. If I was to draft him I’d give him the best offensive line in the league and let him air it out. Speaking of olines, Saints will need to bring in another RT in 2024. Soon. Ramz (out tonight) knee is starting to wear down & it’s not going to get better with rest . Big picture, we need to get younger. Mathieu, Cam, Maye, Taysom, MT, Demario etc. A lot of aging vets. MatthewT, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

12-21-2023, 09:31 AM	#6
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by K Major Speaking of olines, Saints will need to bring in another RT in 2024. Soon. Ramz (out tonight) knee is starting to wear down & it’s not going to get better with rest . Big picture, we need to get younger. Mathieu, Cam, Maye, Taysom, MT, Demario etc. A lot of aging vets. That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft. Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round. K Major likes this.

12-21-2023, 10:31 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by MatthewT That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft. Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round. You're right brother. Glad you brought up Tulane . Last year I was banging the drum for the Saints to draft Tyjae Spears @ RB but for whatever reason (I assume medical or we just ignore talent in our backyard) scouts opted to go with Kendre Miller . Spears has been impactful and productive (has played in all 14 games) for the Titans. Miller .. not so much. IMO the Saints will need to re visit the 2024 draft @ RB. KM is not going to last long term. And Pratt? I'll be keeping an eye on his draft stock in the coming months. MatthewT likes this.

12-21-2023, 05:34 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,086	Re: Is the QB position changing? More young talent? Originally Posted by MatthewT That great 2017 draft class is wearing down fast, really need to strike it big in the 2024 draft. Speaking of the 2024 draft, it's not looking good for the Saints to land one of the best QB prospects, the good news is there are still decent prospects after the first 5 or 6 top guys are taken. Tulane's Michael Pratt could be an interesting prospect that will take a couple years to develop, he is projected to go around the 3rd round. I love Pratt as a prospect. MatthewT likes this.