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Yup. That's why they structure the contracts the way they do. This is simply the methodology they choose to use. It simply accounts for the same cash every other team spends in later periods when it counts as a smaller percentage of the cap. They don't do it because they have to do it. They do it because that is the accounting strategy they chose to use almost two decades ago.

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And during those two decades they had 15 seasons of a top 5 all time QB and came out with only one ring which occurred very early in the run, indicating the methodology is not sustainably successful if your goal is to win championships. If your goal is to have an above average number of wins when you have have a top 5 all time HOF QB, avoid ever having one down season to get a high draft pick to help him out, and go about .500 when you don't have a HOF QB, then the methodology is amazing.

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Salient Points. ^^^

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Only three teams over that period of time have won more games than the New Orleans Saints. They are also the only team other than the Steelers to have not won less than seven games per year during that same stretch. They aren't going to change how they do business just for you. Your schtick is getting extremely old and it's becoming more and more clear why you were banned from that other site, a fact that you are so proud to share, by the way.

And, yes, the goal is to remain competitive year after year, and given our first 40 years of existence I have no problem with that at all, as does the vast majority of true Saints fans. As long as you are competitive you always have a chance to win it all.

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“Stench” = NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO WIN THE PATHETIC NFC SOUTH DIVISION.

“Just keep doing what you’re doing”. ~ Dennis Allen
“We have all the right people in the building”. ~ Mickey Loomis
“Winning championships is not the goal”. ~ Quido Kumbaya

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If you exactly overlap when any given team had a Hall of Fame QB and compare their record over that exact time period or a very similar one with other teams, it will always look impressive. That is the HOF QB who is responsible, and to a lesser degree the head coach.

You seem to believe that Pete Carmichael was just a guy in the room who was along for the ride, but you **** balls when I say thats what Mickey Loomis was. If anything Pete Carmichael's record as OC is probably better than Mickey Loomis as GM. You say Sean Payton was really they one calling the plays so Carmichael did nothing, but many say Sean Payton was the one really making the personnel decisions during most of Mickey Loomis's tenure as GM. You can say Loomis brought in Payton and Brees but even a broken clock is right twice a day and the Saints were nobodies first choice at the time so we may have defaulted into those players, or Tom Benson might have made the call on Payton and Payton may have made the call on Brees. Some of the other people Mickey Loomis has gone all in for are giving Aaron Brooks a big contract, allowing/encouraging the conversion of Brooks into a pocket QB after extending him, sticking with Jim Haslett for years after his one playoff win the first year, sticking his finger in the wind when we were considering a move to San Antonio, not changing his mind under Benson did, firing Arnie Fielkow who opposed the move to San Antonio earlier, hiring DA to succeed Payton, going all-in to get DeShaun Watson, and going all-in to get Derek Carr.

The fact is that if the Saints fired Mickey Loomis while signing Dennis Allen and Derek Carr to 5 year extensions and promoting Jeff Ireland and Khai Harley to co-GM's, Guido would be singing the praises of the move, arguing Loomis was the problem all along, waiving his arms about Loomis's flaws, and making other arguments involving stats and records for why Allen, Carr, Ireland, and Harley are all amazing and should be Saints for life. That's Guido. He is a company man. If the Saints do it, he is for it, even if he used to be against it. When news comes out that Jordan's restructure mostly didn't kick the can, he is proud to post that Loomis has seen the light and 'just because we could restructure doesn't mean we should' but when the correction comes in that it was a max restructure he praises that too. He has no independent view. Whatever the Saints do is his definition of genius. Whoever they keep the is the second coming and whoever they can was a cancer all along and an addition by subtraction, or a smart move because there was no need for them. Any addition is the last missing piece for a champioship.

The Patriots had a good record with Adam Vinatieri. That does not mean he should still be their kicker today. Jerry Reese won two super bowls as GM of the Giants and can't get an interview. Even Bill Belichick could not get hired. Mickey Loomis had a Hall of Fame QB for 15 years, one of the greatest of all time, and only won 1 super bowl. That is below average. Sure Marino never won, but both Mannings, Montana, Brady, Elway, Mahomes, etc all won multiple. Without Brees he has a losing record as GM.

Also I am not sure that Loomis has always managed the salary cap how he does today, max restructuring everyone. Spotrac past salary cap info only goes back to 2020 unless you have a premium membership, which I dont know anyone who has one. If you look at those caps, in 2022-2023 the Saints max restructured just about everyone, whereas if you look at 2020-2021 they left a few larger base salaries alone, so avoid increasing dead cap hits on players they expected they might be unable to retain like Cook, Williams, Brown, etc. They were not so desperate in 2020 that they had to restructure the punter and kicker for pocket change. I am sure the Saints restructured some players between 2002-2019 but I don't know when they started max restructuring EVERYONE. Max restructuring half the big contracts versus all the big contracts is very different.

I have many problems with Loomis. He gambles too much on injury prone players and players with character issues. He loses value by trading up in the draft and throws away mid round picks when his scouts are actually better at finding value in mid rounds. He loses even more value trading future picks for present picks at a heavy price. He does not insist on proper medical evaluation when signing injury prone players. He makes bad decisions hiring/retaining coaches and pursuing QBs who are not Payton/Brees with Haslett, Brooks, DA, Watson, Carr, etc. But his salary cap management is one of his worst attributes recently, and I am not sure it was always that way. In the past the Saints did have financial flexibility to get out of bad contracts quickly and make value added trades that came with big dead cap hits.

If you look at the Saints cap in 2023 there was extremely little flexibility during the season. If we were one player away and they were on the trade market, we might not have been able to add that player. If Carr had cratered instead of improved the last several games, we could probably still not have moved on. If we had a great offer on the table for a veteran when we were out of contention, we possibly could not have afforded the dead cap of accepting it. We were very maxxed out. I am not sure if it was ever that bad in the past, even during the great recession from 2008-2012 when the salary cap was flat for years.

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Looks like more crap. Not going to waste time reading it. :rolleyes: Go post it on your goofy website. ;)

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If you don't read it don't comment on it.