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AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 12:41 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 12:43 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993479)
What do you mean by 'consistently' and why can it only work if used 'consistently'? Its essentially debt guaranteed against an asset (the player) that can be financed interest free but triggers a balloon payment if the asset (player) is disposed of (cut or trade). So its a lot like mortgages on real estate. Could mortgages for a real estate holding company only work to their greatest advantage if they are used consistently? Or could that real estate company weather downturns and rid itself of liabilities faster if it held some assets without mortgages or didn't mortgage every asset to the maximum extent?

Likewise, might it not be to the Saints advantage if given the uncertainty around Ryan Ramczyk's future, his contract was left as-is to provide flexibility should he suddenly be forced into retirement or be unable to perform? And likewise, might it not be to the Saints greatest advantage if they had the financial flexibility to exit Derek Carr's contract in the 2025 offseason, just like it was to the advantage of recent Super Bowl teams to be able to exit the contracts of Alex Smith, Jimmy Garappalo, Caron Wentz, Jared Goff, Andy Dalton, and Jameis Winston when needed?

Why would we want to exit the contract of our franchise QB? :doh:

BakoSaint 02-24-2024 01:16 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993503)
Why would we want to exit the contract of our franchise QB? :doh:

You did not answer my questions.

I will answer yours, please return the favor regarding my previous questions.

Derek Carr is due $40 million in 2025 and $50 million in 2026. His wins in 2023 came against the league wide GOAT Franchise QB stars Ryan Tannehill, Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Garrett Minshew, Tyson Bagent, and Tommy Devito while he was 1-1 against Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ridder. The world where Derek Carr has silenced all his critics and is definitely the player who is bringing us super bowl glory worthy of $40-$50 million dollar future salaries is a ridiculous fantasy that does not exist. Every sane person who follows the NFL is well aware that this should be a make or break year for Carr in New Orleans and that he is very much 100% at a similar point in his career to players like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Garappalo, Wentz, Ryan, etc whose teams wisely moved on. We would want the option to exit the contract of our 'franchise quarterback' because it is not remotely clear that he can ever be a franchise quarterback, he is ranked ranked in the bottom half of quarterbacks in the league in the vast majority of rankings, and another NFL franchise went out of its way to exit his contract just under 12 months ago. I hope he has a good season, but in the real world if you want to survive you hope for the best and plan for the worst.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 01:22 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993505)
You did not answer my questions.

I will answer yours, please return the favor regarding my previous questions.

Derek Carr is due $40 million in 2025 and $50 million in 2026. His wins in 2023 came against the league wide GOAT Franchise QB stars Ryan Tannehill, Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Garrett Minshew, Tyson Bagent, and Tommy Devito while he was 1-1 against Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ridder. The world where Derek Carr has silenced all his critics and is definitely the player who is bringing us super bowl glory worthy of $40-$50 million dollar future salaries is a ridiculous fantasy that does not exist. Every sane person who follows the NFL is well aware that this should be a make or break year for Carr in New Orleans and that he is very much 100% at a similar point in his career to players like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Garappalo, Wentz, Ryan, etc whose teams wisely moved on. We would want the option to exit the contract of our 'franchise quarterback' because it is not remotely clear that he can ever be a franchise quarterback, he is ranked ranked in the bottom half of quarterbacks in the league in the vast majority of rankings, and another NFL franchise went out of its way to exit his contract just under 12 months ago. I hope he has a good season, but in the real world if you want to survive you hope for the best and plan for the worst.

You are so whacko that I skim past your ridiculous questions along with the other crap you come up with. You and your gyroscopic balls.

:dunce:

BakoSaint 02-24-2024 01:37 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993502)

Your salary cap table actually proves my point. Going from 34.6 in 1994 to 255.4 30 years later in 2024 is actually only a 6.9% average increase annually. Many years the increase was smaller and the cap was completely flat from 2009 to 2013. The pandemic was not a singular one time year the salary cap did not massively increase, it was part of a long pattern that the cap is volatile. And the 2009 recession? Well, do you get the feeling watching the news that there definitely could not be another recession in the near future? By restructuring contracts over 5 years we essentially can on average live in the Year 3 salary cap of that restructure if we give up almost all flexibility to get out of bad contracts. With a 6.9% average annual increase, year 3 gives us 14.3% more cap in return for an old stagnant roster. And meanwhile we get decimated if there is a pandemic, recession, downturn etc. The last few years have been a bonanza but now many streaming services that have been loss leaders are looking to merge and regain profitability. The NFL is desperate to sue and find a loophole to stop services from merging and combining their game licenses because they fear it will reduce competition and lower bids. Once a stock darling asset, ESPN has had massive layoffs and may be sold or spun off. So even without another recession or pandemic, the salary cap could stagnate or fall due to the streaming bubble popping. And then there is the risk of oversaturating the market. The big picture is that long term the salary cap goes up only 6.9% per year with high volatility, and successful franchises have been able to pivot and move on from aging veterans and gotten young QBs, something we can't do.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 02:19 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993508)
Your salary cap table actually proves my point. Going from 34.6 in 1994 to 255.4 30 years later in 2024 is actually only a 6.9% average increase annually. Many years the increase was smaller and the cap was completely flat from 2009 to 2013. The pandemic was not a singular one time year the salary cap did not massively increase, it was part of a long pattern that the cap is volatile. And the 2009 recession? Well, do you get the feeling watching the news that there definitely could not be another recession in the near future? By restructuring contracts over 5 years we essentially can on average live in the Year 3 salary cap of that restructure if we give up almost all flexibility to get out of bad contracts. With a 6.9% average annual increase, year 3 gives us 14.3% more cap in return for an old stagnant roster. And meanwhile we get decimated if there is a pandemic, recession, downturn etc. The last few years have been a bonanza but now many streaming services that have been loss leaders are looking to merge and regain profitability. The NFL is desperate to sue and find a loophole to stop services from merging and combining their game licenses because they fear it will reduce competition and lower bids. Once a stock darling asset, ESPN has had massive layoffs and may be sold or spun off. So even without another recession or pandemic, the salary cap could stagnate or fall due to the streaming bubble popping. And then there is the risk of oversaturating the market. The big picture is that long term the salary cap goes up only 6.9% per year with high volatility, and successful franchises have been able to pivot and move on from aging veterans and gotten young QBs, something we can't do.

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BakoSaint 02-24-2024 03:43 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993507)
You are so whacko that I skim past your ridiculous questions along with the other crap you come up with. You and your gyroscopic balls.

:dunce:

Go shove it up your mothers magnetic holes. If you think Derek Carr is a franchise QB you aren’t much pickier about men than she is.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 05:06 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993512)
Go shove it up your mothers magnetic holes. If you think Derek Carr is a franchise QB you aren’t much pickier about men than she is.

And there he is again. Back to the name calling. Go find a life, dude. Does it make you feel special calling other people's mothers cheap whores? That's the second time you gone there. You need serious help. Very serious help.

:crazy: ;p

AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 05:10 PM

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Some people can't understand the simple logic.


AsylumGuido 02-24-2024 06:13 PM

Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
It's only the beginning. The cap will most likely reach $300 million by 2027 and $400 isn't out of the question by the end of the decade.



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