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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint What do you mean by 'consistently' and why can it only work if used 'consistently'? Its essentially debt guaranteed against an asset (the player) that can be financed interest free but triggers a balloon payment if ...

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Old 02-24-2024, 12:43 PM   #1
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Re: 2024 Saints Salary Cap Watch

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What do you mean by 'consistently' and why can it only work if used 'consistently'? Its essentially debt guaranteed against an asset (the player) that can be financed interest free but triggers a balloon payment if the asset (player) is disposed of (cut or trade). So its a lot like mortgages on real estate. Could mortgages for a real estate holding company only work to their greatest advantage if they are used consistently? Or could that real estate company weather downturns and rid itself of liabilities faster if it held some assets without mortgages or didn't mortgage every asset to the maximum extent?

Likewise, might it not be to the Saints advantage if given the uncertainty around Ryan Ramczyk's future, his contract was left as-is to provide flexibility should he suddenly be forced into retirement or be unable to perform? And likewise, might it not be to the Saints greatest advantage if they had the financial flexibility to exit Derek Carr's contract in the 2025 offseason, just like it was to the advantage of recent Super Bowl teams to be able to exit the contracts of Alex Smith, Jimmy Garappalo, Caron Wentz, Jared Goff, Andy Dalton, and Jameis Winston when needed?
Why would we want to exit the contract of our franchise QB?
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Old 02-24-2024, 01:16 PM   #2
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Why would we want to exit the contract of our franchise QB?
You did not answer my questions.

I will answer yours, please return the favor regarding my previous questions.

Derek Carr is due $40 million in 2025 and $50 million in 2026. His wins in 2023 came against the league wide GOAT Franchise QB stars Ryan Tannehill, Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Garrett Minshew, Tyson Bagent, and Tommy Devito while he was 1-1 against Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ridder. The world where Derek Carr has silenced all his critics and is definitely the player who is bringing us super bowl glory worthy of $40-$50 million dollar future salaries is a ridiculous fantasy that does not exist. Every sane person who follows the NFL is well aware that this should be a make or break year for Carr in New Orleans and that he is very much 100% at a similar point in his career to players like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Garappalo, Wentz, Ryan, etc whose teams wisely moved on. We would want the option to exit the contract of our 'franchise quarterback' because it is not remotely clear that he can ever be a franchise quarterback, he is ranked ranked in the bottom half of quarterbacks in the league in the vast majority of rankings, and another NFL franchise went out of its way to exit his contract just under 12 months ago. I hope he has a good season, but in the real world if you want to survive you hope for the best and plan for the worst.
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Old 02-24-2024, 01:22 PM   #3
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You did not answer my questions.

I will answer yours, please return the favor regarding my previous questions.

Derek Carr is due $40 million in 2025 and $50 million in 2026. His wins in 2023 came against the league wide GOAT Franchise QB stars Ryan Tannehill, Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Garrett Minshew, Tyson Bagent, and Tommy Devito while he was 1-1 against Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ridder. The world where Derek Carr has silenced all his critics and is definitely the player who is bringing us super bowl glory worthy of $40-$50 million dollar future salaries is a ridiculous fantasy that does not exist. Every sane person who follows the NFL is well aware that this should be a make or break year for Carr in New Orleans and that he is very much 100% at a similar point in his career to players like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Garappalo, Wentz, Ryan, etc whose teams wisely moved on. We would want the option to exit the contract of our 'franchise quarterback' because it is not remotely clear that he can ever be a franchise quarterback, he is ranked ranked in the bottom half of quarterbacks in the league in the vast majority of rankings, and another NFL franchise went out of its way to exit his contract just under 12 months ago. I hope he has a good season, but in the real world if you want to survive you hope for the best and plan for the worst.
You are so whacko that I skim past your ridiculous questions along with the other crap you come up with. You and your gyroscopic balls.

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Old 02-24-2024, 03:43 PM   #4
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You are so whacko that I skim past your ridiculous questions along with the other crap you come up with. You and your gyroscopic balls.

Go shove it up your mothers magnetic holes. If you think Derek Carr is a franchise QB you aren’t much pickier about men than she is.
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Go shove it up your mothers magnetic holes. If you think Derek Carr is a franchise QB you aren’t much pickier about men than she is.
And there he is again. Back to the name calling. Go find a life, dude. Does it make you feel special calling other people's mothers cheap whores? That's the second time you gone there. You need serious help. Very serious help.

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Old 02-24-2024, 05:10 PM   #6
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Some people can't understand the simple logic.

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Old 02-24-2024, 06:13 PM   #7
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It's only the beginning. The cap will most likely reach $300 million by 2027 and $400 isn't out of the question by the end of the decade.

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And there he is again. Back to the name calling. Go find a life, dude. Does it make you feel special calling other people's mothers cheap whores? That's the second time you gone there. You need serious help. Very serious help.

You called me a wacko, ridiculous, and made a joke about my balls. I don't deal in half measures so if you try make vague half way personal insults with me I am a plain honest person who will return the favor honestly with clear unmistakable straightforward insults. I have told you this before, but you just can't get it through your head. I don't start the name calling, you start it with all your piddley crap like wacko, ridiculous, crazy. But then your mom comes up and all of a sudden you are some kind of innocent girl scout.

The salary cap reaching $255 million is no guarantee it will reach $300 or $400 million soon. The average increase historically is 6.9%. This was a good year and it increased 13.6%. But from 2009-2013 it did not increase at all, and that was not the first recession in history and likely won't be the last. The NFL is profiting now from companies seeking to be loss leaders to corner market share in streaming but once these companies are entrenched or merge and reduce competition, they may reduce their bids for television rights. The NFL is very concerned about services merging and trying legal efforts to stop different rights holders from combining their services onto a single subscription.

Your comparison of $55 million cost just spread out differently due to different accounting methods assumes every player finishes every contract. One of the biggest problems with the Mickey Loomis method is that some players struggle early in their contracts and do not merit the salaries scheduled later in their contracts but the Saints can't cut them and avoid paying the full amount because Mickey's 'accounting method' means it costs too much dead cap to ever move on early. You have to consider the real example where under a different accounting method we would cut a bad player after 3 years and pay only $33 million while under the Mickey Loomis method instead of $55 million we would pay $66 million because we would have to extend the player for a sixth year to prepare for the dead cap when they leave, even though they have not been good since the 2nd year and another team would have cut them after the 3rd.

The guy who has been predicting Michael Thomas for Comeback Player of the The Year on the 20-0 Saints since 2020 needs to realize he doesn't know everything and he can't win Mickey Loomis's love no matter how much he defends him, because he is not a bottle a booze.
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Old 02-25-2024, 08:34 AM   #9
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You called me a wacko, ridiculous, and made a joke about my balls. I don't deal in half measures so if you try make vague half way personal insults with me I am a plain honest person who will return the favor honestly with clear unmistakable straightforward insults. I have told you this before, but you just can't get it through your head. I don't start the name calling, you start it with all your piddley crap like wacko, ridiculous, crazy. But then your mom comes up and all of a sudden you are some kind of innocent girl scout.

The salary cap reaching $255 million is no guarantee it will reach $300 or $400 million soon. The average increase historically is 6.9%. This was a good year and it increased 13.6%. But from 2009-2013 it did not increase at all, and that was not the first recession in history and likely won't be the last. The NFL is profiting now from companies seeking to be loss leaders to corner market share in streaming but once these companies are entrenched or merge and reduce competition, they may reduce their bids for television rights. The NFL is very concerned about services merging and trying legal efforts to stop different rights holders from combining their services onto a single subscription.

Your comparison of $55 million cost just spread out differently due to different accounting methods assumes every player finishes every contract. One of the biggest problems with the Mickey Loomis method is that some players struggle early in their contracts and do not merit the salaries scheduled later in their contracts but the Saints can't cut them and avoid paying the full amount because Mickey's 'accounting method' means it costs too much dead cap to ever move on early. You have to consider the real example where under a different accounting method we would cut a bad player after 3 years and pay only $33 million while under the Mickey Loomis method instead of $55 million we would pay $66 million because we would have to extend the player for a sixth year to prepare for the dead cap when they leave, even though they have not been good since the 2nd year and another team would have cut them after the 3rd.

The guy who has been predicting Michael Thomas for Comeback Player of the The Year on the 20-0 Saints since 2020 needs to realize he doesn't know everything and he can't win Mickey Loomis's love no matter how much he defends him, because he is not a bottle a booze.
Hey, Bako. The ball reference was not about your precious gonads. It was referring to your goofy assed claim that rigging could happen in golf with the use of gyroscopes in the balls.

LOL!!

I'm not wasting my time reading past your first sentence because at a glance I can see it's nothing more than your personal bias that has grown into a full-fledged obsession. I now see why they banned you from over at that "other site". You ARE a whacko.
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