Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

What I am saying is we suck. We have been sucking. We will be sucking. Seriously.

You cannot put lipstick on a pig and expect it to be a supermodel.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

ahh quido, or is it queefo..... yet you always respond in some ignorant way. :beatnik:

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

queefo is a prime example of an idiot savant... his one exceptional aptitude is his blind faith and loyalty to a losing football team. :beatnik: while failing miserably in social and intellectual functioning.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=Rugby Saint II;989297]
11 times.... let that sink in. the number of times nfl teams left it's host city. :beatnik: New Orleans ain't that special. Sorry

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=mapcow;989688]Oh New Orleans is REALLY special. We’re about to see some suckiness that no other team can replicate.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand, people in Carolina would rather watch their first cousins pick tobacco in their birthday suits than travel to watch the current Panthers team. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Salient points. Well articulated.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I wonder if Dennis Allen thinks he's in a good place? Lately, he's been getting pretty testy with the media these days who are asking some tougher questions.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field.

Why does this need to be excused away?

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Cognitive Dissonance.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Mickey Loomis does not care about fans. The Saints used to have a fan advisory board and after Loomis muscled Fielkow out of the front office he canceled it. The only way Loomis wants to see a fan is if they are giving him some bottles of hard drinks. And if Saints fans don't appreciate him he is sure Falcons fans will mail him all he can drink to New Orleans.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

You know when you sell your tickets you have no idea who's buying them.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

The fans that have season tickets have either had them for decades or have spent many years on a waiting list to finally get them. As one of those fans there is no way I would ever let a temporary lull in success make me forfeit those tickets with no chance of getting them back for years.

This is something that non-ticket holders fail to understand. That's throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Saints have been far, far, far worse than anything we are seeing now in our history. I can tell you this for a certainty, it is way more fun to watch any Saints game, win or lose, in the Dome than from the couch at home, win or lose.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I hope you have some Vaseline for todays game.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Twitter reporting Allen likely to return for third year "barring something drastic"

Now hear me out here, how is a losing season vs the easiest schedule in the league, in the easiest division in the league, not drastic?

Absolutely clueless clown show by Saints Management.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

BRUTAL TRUTH.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Empty seats in that re vamped dome for 2024 may get their attention.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

And that's a risk they're willing to take. Fans are saying "I'd rather a Lions fan sit in my seats to cheer on their own team."

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

No. It's more like, "I'm not stupid enough to let my seats go unused if I can't make it and I know that I can sell them."

Besides, a sizable chunk of the season tickets in the Dome, and all other facilities, belong to third party brokers. It absolutely doesn't matter to them who is sitting in the seats. The fellow season ticket holders around us that we know said our seats had Saints fans in them for the Lions game. I guess there are Saints fans out there willing and able to spend almost $600 on a pair of ticket still. They are nice front row seats in the club area, however. And we did wait until the last day to sell them hoping we recovered enough (both had the bug) to make the long drives there and back.

The ten seats to the left of us on our row have been third party since we've had ours. They always have different people sitting in them. On occasion visiting fans, but usually Saints fans. Same for others seats in the section. Most visiting fans end up sitting in the lower bowl on the southeast side. The brokers obviously hold a large percentage of those. They have been on the same waiting list as all of the rest of us, scarfing up tickets.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I hope the Saints front office is looking at some of these college bowl games.

Notice how Penix (Washington) doesn't take on many sacks. Find a college coordinator that can scheme well. And Michigan's defense and coaches are good too.

Enough of these retread coaches and coordinators that can't consistently compete.

Keeping things "in tact" is why we are here again.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

We've done well in the past with bringing in successful college coaches. I wonder why we went away from that type of thinking?

Nevermind. We like retreads! :dunce:

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There's probably a 90+% chance DA will be the coach again next year. So I'm trying to find silver linings for 2024 on that. There are a few minor ones.

- While DA is a pretty incapable coach, I don't think he's toxic per-se and tries to run things and act in a manner that completely obliterates the locker room like a Josh McDaniels or Adam Gase.

- We have great leaders on the defensive side of the ball, most notably Demario Davis. Davis has fully taken over the player-leader role that was helmed by Brees at this point, and then some. If you stretch it far enough, it's possible some of Davis' vigor might improve DA's leadership abilities kicking and screaming by way of osmosis. Or at least we're at a point that when the players tune out DA they tune into Davis or the Honey Badger instead as opposed to tuning out altogether.

- The ceiling for DA is to be a caretaker in the mold of Jason Garrett where the players know he's not much to write home about but are generally loyal to him. If DA can do more to bond with his players we have a hope he will be this updated version of Garrett. Garrett at least had a winning record and heck, Garrett coached the Cowboys for 10 years. Surely if Cowboys fans could hold their nose and handle Garrett for 10 years, then we can get through DA for another 1-3 years, right? And by the end of it DA might have a career record in the .400-.500 range. That would actually be a remarkable rehabilitation.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Don't forget, Jason Garrett was a UDFA for the Saints!!

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Be careful, neuguy. You're volunteering to be on a sh!t list. At least it might make them forget the Ian Book jersey. Er, I mean, nevermind. ;)

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I've come to the conclusion that no matter how much I want a new head coach Mickey Loomis is bringing DA back for another year. We will get a new OC.

I don't like it, but I've come to terms with reality. Oh well.....Who Dat!

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I have come to the conclusion that if Gayle won't remove any of these incompetent's, perhaps alcoholism, depression, heart disease, STDs, legal problems, affairs, etc will. If they run the rest of their lives in the careless idiotic way they are running the Saints, it is bound to catch up with them at some point. DA is being publicly booed. Mickey Loomis will be soon too. A lot of people cannot handle that psychologically for the long term. Hopefully they can't. Hopefully it reaches a breaking point and they either walk away or snap. The great thing about rooting for these fools to break is that every day there is hope. There is no day that Mickey Loomis could not have one too many and swerve into a canal or something.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Just stop supporting the product

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

That is EXACTLY what it will take to even BEGIN to turn this mess around.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

We finished 9-8 with the easiest schedule in the NFL. Next years schedule somehow looks to be another easy schedule to rack up some W's. If we go 10-7 then DA will have a winning record two years in a row.

At that rate Dennis Allen will be unbeatable in seven more years. :roflmao: