Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2023...umors-reports/

The last part is an interesting take and even kind of makes sense. Let's say it is the actual plan. This sucks.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Well that's depressing. Can we fast forward to 2025?

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Recall Loomis "believed" in Jim Haslett up until the end.

His quote before the final season:

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

more or less guaranteeing the contract with the dome until 2030, will be the end of the Saints in New Orleans. Allen has ushered in and will see through the ultimate demise of the New Orleans Saints.... Sad . Glad Drew and Sean won the Lombardi Trophy when they did. Like I've said before, when football was still played as a full contact sport. :beatnik: DA Gotta go.

With that....

Get rid of DA.... build a team focusing on size and strength of offensive line, keep the Defense strong.... eyes on Arch Manning ..... it could happen.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[QUOTE=mapcow;989266]more or less guaranteeing the contract with the dome until 2030, will be the end of the Saints in New Orleans. Allen has ushered in and will see through the ultimate demise of the New Orleans Saints.... Sad . Glad Drew and Sean won the Lombardi Trophy when they did. Like I've said before, when football was still played as a full contact sport. :beatnik: DA Gotta go.


That is some seriously funny stuff right there. :roflmao: The Saints aren't moving and we are hosting a Super bowl in 2025. Sometimes I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or not.

There is no way that you could really think that a two or possibly three year head coach can single handedly influence a team to relocate. And if anyone mentions San Antonio I'll stop and remember that even fools have opinions........ and I'm not always sure which one I am. So, I'll just laugh at them!

I mean, we survived bad coaching and hurricanes before and we're still the New Orleans Saints!

Let's step back and remember that we have great ownership with deep pockets, a gifted accounting system that gives us tens of millions of dollars on next year's salary cap increase. What we need is leadership in the draft room who value big schools and draft picks.

We also need a new HC, which means we need a new DC too. We are a winning organization and our record in the last twenty years looks pretty damn good. Gimme' a HC with some stones and a game plan and let's roll!

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I guess there really isn't any real reason to get rid of DA now. The team needs to be rebuilt and thanks to bad contracts that cannot start for another year or two. It is so necessary to get that potential franchise QB drafted in 2024 so that he can be ready to roll in 2025. Now the real question is what will Mickey do...

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Mickey won't draft his replacement. It might make his prized QB uncomfortable. But he will draft another tackle to protect him and give him time in the pocket next year. Besides, who wants to learn from a man that throws hissy fits when things don't go his way?

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Gonna be a painful ride… GUARANTEED.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I read something that DA would have to win 26 straight games, just to get to .500

If this report about him being safe is true, then Loomis needs to go too.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

We’re basically all indirectly or directly addressing Gayle, who obviously isn’t paying attention. So we’re in for a painful ride.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I was talking to my dad yesterday (a Vikings fan) and trying to describe the mess the Saints are in. I told him the Saints are basically the current Mets without the fire sale.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

If they want to keep him, it better be for him to over see them getting the cap in order. No-one extending/converting bonus all these older players. If it takes a year or two to clear them out then do it. Get some picks and build for the future. Improve both lines then work from there

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

The defense is honestly getting the job done. Maybe with a different OC things could be different.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I don't know what fixes this team.

But taking the same approach cannot be the answer.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

It couldn't be a whole lot worse.

If we are keeping DA for another year, at least act like you realize things need to be improved. A new offensive coordinator is a good start. Bring someone in when the season is over and let him sit down with our QB and so that they are on the same page from Day 1.

Otherwise, it looks like you are not really trying. Or you suck at what you do. And at this point I am not sure which of those is the truth.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

The D has looked good against below average teams, but struggled every other time.

Now I'm not saying they are all to blame, because the offense has put them straight back out on the field at an alarming rate, however look at the strong D performances Vs the weak.

Panthers - worst QB and team in the league
Giants - D played well, Giants O line is shocking
Titans - were 2 missed TD catches from beating us
Packers - D had a complete meltdown in the dying stages of the game
Jags - D got worked
Rams - D got worked
Lions - Saints became first team in NFL History to allow 21 points in the first 4 mins
Bucs - worst rushing offense in the league, ran all over us
Falcons - 230 yards rushing on us
Texans - couldn't stop anyone

Problems are everywhere.

The D is old, they are large upfront yet cannot stop the run.
If teams run to the outside, we are slow and our slot corner cannot tackle.
Werner has massively regressed.
Demario is great, but he's been made to look foolish a few times this year by younger runners.
Cam has been nonexistent all year.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

^^^^^^^ This right here.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

When your scouts are more focused on a DE measurable being right than can he actually play is why there's no pressure. Davenport,Foskey,Turner. The scouting department t is still living off a draft 5/6 years ago

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

We definitely need to revisit our draft parameters this offseason. Our D-line dropped ten pounds to get leaner and faster. Now they are getting pushed all over the place. O-line scouting stinks. D-line scouting stinks. Running back scouting stinks. Tight end scouting stinks. And we draft slow LB'ers.

We do well with WR's and DB's though. So, it's kind of a mixed bag of nuts and dog crap. It kind of ruins the whole batch of goodies. :rolleyes:

Edit: The RAS is great but it's not the holy grail. It doesn't give you anything but untapped potential. We had a boat load of potential and big busts. No thanks to drafting solely based on the players raw athletic scores. There are too many other variables that are just as important. Like heart. You can't measure heart. You have to study film.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Imo a league wide problem is how draft boards change from pro days to the draft.
It's all good putting up good numbers in shorts and running shoes, but football is t played without pads. Use it to separate close grades. But it's hilarious watching a 4th round pick on tape jump to a late day 1 pick before he runs a great 40, and jumps high

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=Rugby Saint II;989297]That mapclown guy is seriously disturbed from every indication, Rugs. I wouldn't take anything he says with anything but a fistful of salt.

:dunce:

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=AsylumGuido;989484]This Quido guy seems to be a master at taking salted fist-fulls. I’d pay attention to him if you like that kind of thing.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=Rugby Saint II;989297]Reality Moriarity...Reality... :beatnik: Hell I knew Thomas was washed up 3 years ago....

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=AsylumGuido;989484]fisting.... new there was something different about ya. :beatnik:

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=mapcow;989527]Salted Fisting. Explains everything.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

[quote=AsylumGuido;989484]Sometimes he has a constructive productive thought. It's hard to be positive on the board these days. For one thing.....people poke fun at optimists now! However, there really isn't much to be optimistic about right now, to be honest.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Optimism is a state of mind. As part of my optimism I never stress over anything that I myself cannot control.

As for the mapclown, I gave up on seeing any "constructive productive thought" many months ago which prompted his "ignore" status. :D

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Once again, YOU, the paying customer, CAN control what your service provider provides, or FAILS to provide, by NOT paying for their services until they correct their policy. Similarly, on a deep energetic level, if you stop cheering on the sucky service, week after week, you send a message to the service provider that you are dissatisfied with the product. The problem is, you are completely satisfied.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I used to be one of those optimists but this team sure does come across as apathetic. I refuse to believe that Gayle or anyone that is under her employ are serious about winning and will be especially dubious if they keep Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael.
Yes, I became comfortable when the Saints had an excellent team with Tom Benson, Sean Payton, and Drew Brees. Expecting greatness after their departure is absurd but I'd sure like to see some emotion and accountability from the new kids on the block.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I agree with much of that, but I seriously doubt anyone connected with the Saints, or any other NFL franchise for that matter, aren't serious about winning. We must not confuse ineptitude with lack of commitment.

:D

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

There is no confusion. Only a combination of ineptitude and a lack of commitment. If they were serious about winning, they would be winning.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

If they were serious about winning then they would have changed out Carmichael last year.

Nepotism at its finest!

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

Our problem is much bigger than Carmichael.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

I knew this team was in trouble for 2023 when no one was fired during the bye week. We've become such a passive franchise.

Maybe empty seats in the revamped dome will get someone's attention :rolleyes:.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

That’s the only thing we have control over, except for Quido. He’ll still be there.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is.

Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

So are you saying that every sub 500 team isn’t serious about winning? I think it’s a little more complicated than just deciding one day, if we decide to be serious we are all of a sudden going to start winning. At least if we clean house, we would at least have hope, where there is currently none, and there’s nothing worse than a lack of hope.

Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints
 

So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance?