Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints

dizzle88 · 12-29-2023, 06:55 PM

The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is.

Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket.

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2023, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is.

Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket.

So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance?

AsylumGuido · 12-30-2023, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance?

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

BakoSaint · 12-30-2023, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand, people in Carolina would rather watch their first cousins pick tobacco in their birthday suits than travel to watch the current Panthers team. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists.

Sinner · 12-30-2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists.

Salient points. Well articulated.

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2023, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field.

Why does this need to be excused away?

Sinner · 12-30-2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field.

Why does this need to be excused away?

Cognitive Dissonance.

neugey · 12-30-2023, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field.

Why does this need to be excused away?

If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome.

BakoSaint · 12-30-2023, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome.

Mickey Loomis does not care about fans. The Saints used to have a fan advisory board and after Loomis muscled Fielkow out of the front office he canceled it. The only way Loomis wants to see a fan is if they are giving him some bottles of hard drinks. And if Saints fans don't appreciate him he is sure Falcons fans will mail him all he can drink to New Orleans.

AsylumGuido · 12-31-2023, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome.

The fans that have season tickets have either had them for decades or have spent many years on a waiting list to finally get them. As one of those fans there is no way I would ever let a temporary lull in success make me forfeit those tickets with no chance of getting them back for years.

This is something that non-ticket holders fail to understand. That's throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Saints have been far, far, far worse than anything we are seeing now in our history. I can tell you this for a certainty, it is way more fun to watch any Saints game, win or lose, in the Dome than from the couch at home, win or lose.

12-29-2023, 06:55 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is. Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket. saintsfan1976, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-30-2023, 10:12 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,023 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is. Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket. So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance? neugey, dizzle88, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.

12-30-2023, 12:40 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance? No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

12-30-2023, 01:32 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue. This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand, people in Carolina would rather watch their first cousins pick tobacco in their birthday suits than travel to watch the current Panthers team. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists. Sinner likes this.
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12-30-2023, 01:34 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by BakoSaint This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists. Salient points. Well articulated.
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12-30-2023, 04:28 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,023 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue. Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field. Why does this need to be excused away? neugey and Sinner like this.

12-30-2023, 04:33 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field. Why does this need to be excused away? Cognitive Dissonance.
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12-30-2023, 09:12 PM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field. Why does this need to be excused away? If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome.

12-30-2023, 10:04 PM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by neugey If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome. Mickey Loomis does not care about fans. The Saints used to have a fan advisory board and after Loomis muscled Fielkow out of the front office he canceled it. The only way Loomis wants to see a fan is if they are giving him some bottles of hard drinks. And if Saints fans don't appreciate him he is sure Falcons fans will mail him all he can drink to New Orleans. Sinner likes this.
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12-31-2023, 10:10 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by neugey If Mickey bring DA and perhaps even Carmichael back next season, he is banking on retaining fans via Stockholm Syndrome. The fans that have season tickets have either had them for decades or have spent many years on a waiting list to finally get them. As one of those fans there is no way I would ever let a temporary lull in success make me forfeit those tickets with no chance of getting them back for years. This is something that non-ticket holders fail to understand. That's throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Saints have been far, far, far worse than anything we are seeing now in our history. I can tell you this for a certainty, it is way more fun to watch any Saints game, win or lose, in the Dome than from the couch at home, win or lose.
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