Who Are The Right People Really?

MatthewT · 12-26-2023, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by keithday123

I’ve said this on a post before but it seems the dire straits that this division is in it is a perfect time to start anew with this team. Take your salary cap hits, draft what you can or trade for more future draft picks, let Carr be the most expensive stop gap in history and prepare for the future. Don’t trade up just to get a QB to get one. In this division a sub par team can compete for a division title (see ATL and TB) with the RIGHT coaches in place. So yes get rid of DA and find the guy of the future now and let him be responsible for building this team the way he wants.

The Saints can only ease out of their cap situation and it will take several years. Sad but true, most of their contracts cost additional cap space to get out of. Dead cap money is only part of the issue, the real problem is having to come up with more cap space that already isn't there in order to release someone from the roster. Then when considering Loomis is already 67, it's very possible the current accounting practices continue, I doubt he cares about rebuilding at this point.

BakoSaint · 12-26-2023, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

The Saints can only ease out of their cap situation and it will take several years. Sad but true, most of their contracts cost additional cap space to get out of. Dead cap money is only part of the issue, the real problem is having to come up with more cap space that already isn't there in order to release someone from the roster. Then when considering Loomis is already 67, it's very possible the current accounting practices continue, I doubt he cares about rebuilding at this point.

Our best hope could be if Loomis can con a really dumb owner to sign him away from the Saints so he can get a fresh start and have a chance to win now in the process of wrecking a new salary cap. The Saints are like his liver, he is not willing to do what it would take to have any chance of long term recovery. But he may be willing to put his name on a list to get a new team / salary cap / liver.

SmashMouth · 12-26-2023, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity.

At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Our best hope could be if Loomis can con a really dumb owner to sign him away from the Saints so he can get a fresh start and have a chance to win now in the process of wrecking a new salary cap. The Saints are like his liver, he is not willing to do what it would take to have any chance of long term recovery. But he may be willing to put his name on a list to get a new team / salary cap / liver.

Loomie is in large part causal with this situation. It may be time to make a change. Jeff Ireland and Khai and can cover. Will Mrs. Benson take note? Probably not. It's beyond time for the fans ta make sure Loomie and Mrs. Benson feel the heat.

lee909 · 12-26-2023, 02:16 PM

What makes Cares inability to read and react quickly even worse is how he just freezes under pressure. He makes late 39s Tom Brady/Manning look fast twitched.

Danno · 12-26-2023, 03:41 PM

Does anyone think Gayle has enough football savvy to pick a better GM than Loomis?

Scouts and coaches should be 1st on the chopping block.

MatthewT · 12-26-2023, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Does anyone think Gayle has enough football savvy to pick a better GM than Loomis?

Scouts and coaches should be 1st on the chopping block.

I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought

BakoSaint · 12-26-2023, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Does anyone think Gayle has enough football savvy to pick a better GM than Loomis?

Scouts and coaches should be 1st on the chopping block.

Yes. She could pick the actor who plays Ted Lasso. She could pick the random actor who plays the insurance agent from the state farm commercials with Mahomes. Would he be below average? Sure. But probably when he saw the current head coach had 2 consecutive losing seasons with the Saints, never beat a winning team except against backup QB Gardner Minshew, and before that had 3 more losing seasons with the Raiders, and is among the worst coaches ever after 5 years as coach, he would say 'hmmm, we need a new coach, fire him.' Then in his search for a new coach, he would not be a genius or visionary, but he probably would start his search where anyone else would, with candidates who recently had some kind of winning record in college, were a top assistant to a winning NFL coach, or were previously an NFL coach with a mixed record where they won some seasons and lost others. For the salary cap, they would probably try to get under it and not use insane loopholes to max it out, because being extremely leveraged on credit makes most normal people nervous. In every way, a random American with minimal casual knowledge of sports would make better decisions that would make them a better GM than Mickey Loomis.

In fact, Gayle could probably make herself GM and be better than Mickey Loomis. Not hiring a coach with a .250 record is a basic simple piece of logic 99.9% of people including Gayle likely have. It's like not buying meat that is green, not accepting a ride from someone driving a panel van with no windows and with bars between the driver and passengers, or not dining at restaurant with rat droppings on the floor. There is nothing Gayle could do worse than Mickey Loomis and many things she would likely do better if she was more involved and just making average common sense decisions and doing the consensus of what the talking heads suggest.

Gayle could also simply hire some talking suit business consultants and from New York and have them do a strategic analysis and do what they say. I am sure they would suggest firing the proven loser and bringing in a logical person with past success or a young assistant because it would work the same way as looking for a CEO. Just like they would go for the former president of Coke or the young rising VP of KFC to be the new CEO of Popeyes or whatever, and probably not Sam Bankman Fried or the guy behind Fire Festival, they would likely also be able to find a new GM and coach.

BakoSaint · 12-26-2023, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought

I loved Dennis in Weekend at Bernie's. Really energetic guy. I bet he is heavily involved and very concerned.

neugey · 12-26-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought

I really don't know much at all about Dennis Lauscha. Can he be a voice of reason or is he too deeply entwined into the echo chamber?

Sinner · 12-26-2023, 05:47 PM

No matter what, we’re sitting at THIRD PLACE IN THE NFC SOUTH, and going nowhere slowly… Happy New Year.

12-26-2023, 10:10 AM	#11
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by keithday123 I’ve said this on a post before but it seems the dire straits that this division is in it is a perfect time to start anew with this team. Take your salary cap hits, draft what you can or trade for more future draft picks, let Carr be the most expensive stop gap in history and prepare for the future. Don’t trade up just to get a QB to get one. In this division a sub par team can compete for a division title (see ATL and TB) with the RIGHT coaches in place. So yes get rid of DA and find the guy of the future now and let him be responsible for building this team the way he wants. The Saints can only ease out of their cap situation and it will take several years. Sad but true, most of their contracts cost additional cap space to get out of. Dead cap money is only part of the issue, the real problem is having to come up with more cap space that already isn't there in order to release someone from the roster. Then when considering Loomis is already 67, it's very possible the current accounting practices continue, I doubt he cares about rebuilding at this point. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-26-2023, 12:26 PM	#12
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,459	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by MatthewT The Saints can only ease out of their cap situation and it will take several years. Sad but true, most of their contracts cost additional cap space to get out of. Dead cap money is only part of the issue, the real problem is having to come up with more cap space that already isn't there in order to release someone from the roster. Then when considering Loomis is already 67, it's very possible the current accounting practices continue, I doubt he cares about rebuilding at this point. Our best hope could be if Loomis can con a really dumb owner to sign him away from the Saints so he can get a fresh start and have a chance to win now in the process of wrecking a new salary cap. The Saints are like his liver, he is not willing to do what it would take to have any chance of long term recovery. But he may be willing to put his name on a list to get a new team / salary cap / liver. MatthewT likes this.
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12-26-2023, 12:51 PM	#13
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,271 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity. At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Our best hope could be if Loomis can con a really dumb owner to sign him away from the Saints so he can get a fresh start and have a chance to win now in the process of wrecking a new salary cap. The Saints are like his liver, he is not willing to do what it would take to have any chance of long term recovery. But he may be willing to put his name on a list to get a new team / salary cap / liver. Loomie is in large part causal with this situation. It may be time to make a change. Jeff Ireland and Khai and can cover. Will Mrs. Benson take note? Probably not. It's beyond time for the fans ta make sure Loomie and Mrs. Benson feel the heat. iceshack149 and MatthewT like this.
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12-26-2023, 02:16 PM	#14
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,877 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? What makes Cares inability to read and react quickly even worse is how he just freezes under pressure. He makes late 39s Tom Brady/Manning look fast twitched.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by Danno Does anyone think Gayle has enough football savvy to pick a better GM than Loomis? Scouts and coaches should be 1st on the chopping block. I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,459	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by Danno Does anyone think Gayle has enough football savvy to pick a better GM than Loomis? Scouts and coaches should be 1st on the chopping block. Yes. She could pick the actor who plays Ted Lasso. She could pick the random actor who plays the insurance agent from the state farm commercials with Mahomes. Would he be below average? Sure. But probably when he saw the current head coach had 2 consecutive losing seasons with the Saints, never beat a winning team except against backup QB Gardner Minshew, and before that had 3 more losing seasons with the Raiders, and is among the worst coaches ever after 5 years as coach, he would say 'hmmm, we need a new coach, fire him.' Then in his search for a new coach, he would not be a genius or visionary, but he probably would start his search where anyone else would, with candidates who recently had some kind of winning record in college, were a top assistant to a winning NFL coach, or were previously an NFL coach with a mixed record where they won some seasons and lost others. For the salary cap, they would probably try to get under it and not use insane loopholes to max it out, because being extremely leveraged on credit makes most normal people nervous. In every way, a random American with minimal casual knowledge of sports would make better decisions that would make them a better GM than Mickey Loomis. In fact, Gayle could probably make herself GM and be better than Mickey Loomis. Not hiring a coach with a .250 record is a basic simple piece of logic 99.9% of people including Gayle likely have. It's like not buying meat that is green, not accepting a ride from someone driving a panel van with no windows and with bars between the driver and passengers, or not dining at restaurant with rat droppings on the floor. There is nothing Gayle could do worse than Mickey Loomis and many things she would likely do better if she was more involved and just making average common sense decisions and doing the consensus of what the talking heads suggest. Gayle could also simply hire some talking suit business consultants and from New York and have them do a strategic analysis and do what they say. I am sure they would suggest firing the proven loser and bringing in a logical person with past success or a young assistant because it would work the same way as looking for a CEO. Just like they would go for the former president of Coke or the young rising VP of KFC to be the new CEO of Popeyes or whatever, and probably not Sam Bankman Fried or the guy behind Fire Festival, they would likely also be able to find a new GM and coach.
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12-26-2023, 05:34 PM	#18
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,459	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by MatthewT I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought I loved Dennis in Weekend at Bernie's. Really energetic guy. I bet he is heavily involved and very concerned. SmashMouth likes this.
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12-26-2023, 05:35 PM	#19
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,885 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by MatthewT I am absolutely sure if Dennis Lauscha tells her change is needed she will do so without a second thought I really don't know much at all about Dennis Lauscha. Can he be a voice of reason or is he too deeply entwined into the echo chamber? SmashMouth likes this.

12-26-2023, 05:47 PM	#20
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,083	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? No matter what, we’re sitting at THIRD PLACE IN THE NFC SOUTH, and going nowhere slowly… Happy New Year. SmashMouth likes this.
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