Who Are The Right People Really?

Rugby Saint II · 12-24-2023, 02:31 PM

It's obvious that we don't have the right people in the building.

Who are the wrong people should be the question?

This was supposed to be a poll. My apologies to the poll enthusiasts out there.

Gayle Benson-Owner
Dennis Lauscha-President
Mickey Loomis- General Manager
Dennis Allen- Head Coach
Pete Carmichael- Offensive Coordinator
Doug Marrone- O line Coach
Other- Maximum Of 20 Poll Questions

Sinner · 12-24-2023, 02:36 PM

Start right at the top. That’s the way any successful business works, or unsuccessful business doesn’t work.

lee909 · 12-24-2023, 02:37 PM

It's a shame Payton didn't run a year earlier.
The right person was in the building in Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn. Though I'm sure Loomis would still have gone with Dennis Allen

vpheughan · 12-25-2023, 03:07 PM

It comes down to who has Mrs. Benson's ear and if she cares about the product on the field. Way back when John Fox gave Sean Payton a good review to Tom Benson.,

saintsfan1976 · 12-26-2023, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

It's a shame Payton didn't run a year earlier.
The right person was in the building in Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn. Though I'm sure Loomis would still have gone with Dennis Allen

Same page.

Drew a year too long.
Payton a year too long.
Now, seemingly, DA will be here another season too long...

What's it going to take

SmashMouth · 12-26-2023, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Same page.

Drew a year too long.
Payton a year too long.
Now, seemingly, DA will be here another season too long...

What's it going to take

Unfortunately prolly another year due to the insane signing of DC4. It's hard for me to even type this.

leilung · 12-26-2023, 09:37 AM

Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho.
- A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat
- A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now
- More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject
-More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful.

If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him.
Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell!

SmashMouth · 12-26-2023, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho.
- A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat
- A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now
- More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject
-More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful.

If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him.
Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell!

The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can.

I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the team appears more motivated.

keithday123 · 12-26-2023, 10:36 AM

I’ve said this on a post before but it seems the dire straits that this division is in it is a perfect time to start anew with this team. Take your salary cap hits, draft what you can or trade for more future draft picks, let Carr be the most expensive stop gap in history and prepare for the future. Don’t trade up just to get a QB to get one. In this division a sub par team can compete for a division title (see ATL and TB) with the RIGHT coaches in place. So yes get rid of DA and find the guy of the future now and let him be responsible for building this team the way he wants.

WW_Who_Dat · 12-26-2023, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can.

I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the [B][/B]team appears more motivated.

Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity.

At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row.

12-24-2023, 02:31 PM	#1
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12-24-2023, 02:37 PM	#3
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12-26-2023, 09:12 AM	#5
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12-26-2023, 09:17 AM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Same page. Drew a year too long. Payton a year too long. Now, seemingly, DA will be here another season too long... What's it going to take Unfortunately prolly another year due to the insane signing of DC4. It's hard for me to even type this. Rugby Saint II and OldMaid like this.

12-26-2023, 09:37 AM	#7
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,368	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho. - A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat - A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now - More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject -More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful. If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him. Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell! saintsfan1976 likes this.
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12-26-2023, 10:22 AM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by leilung Tell you the truth, I don't see DC4 as unsalvageable QB1 material. He needs several things to make his experience pay off tho. - A Pocket, because he ain't a running threat - A Faster Decision Making Process, his progression reads are among the slowest in the NFL right now - More Creative Offensive Playcalling... 'nuff said on that subject -More Trust in his Receivers. This is huge! Time and again we saw Drew just throw that ball in the zip code of the route and BOOM, the receiver would catch it in stride and roll out for nice gains. Defenders on the line would complain that the ball would just fly over the line out of nowhere and be where the receiver was running, before a DB could try to jump a route, or a D Lineman could bat it down. If this team wants to stay committed to a 'Pocket QB' (contrary to the mobile trend) then he's got to have the tools to be successful. If we're stuck with him, might as well get the most out of him. Or as a wise man once told me: Can't shine a turd, but you can at least cover the smell! The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can. I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the team appears more motivated. leilung likes this.

12-26-2023, 10:36 AM	#9
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 183	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? I’ve said this on a post before but it seems the dire straits that this division is in it is a perfect time to start anew with this team. Take your salary cap hits, draft what you can or trade for more future draft picks, let Carr be the most expensive stop gap in history and prepare for the future. Don’t trade up just to get a QB to get one. In this division a sub par team can compete for a division title (see ATL and TB) with the RIGHT coaches in place. So yes get rid of DA and find the guy of the future now and let him be responsible for building this team the way he wants. saintsfan1976 and SmashMouth like this.
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12-26-2023, 11:06 AM	#10
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who Are The Right People Really? Originally Posted by SmashMouth The small challenge with that is that he hasn't shown the quick reading ability in all his years in the NFL. Very few QBs have that, and Brees was one of them. The quick reading negates somewhat a below par OL. In the absence of a proper OL which not many teams have these days, the need to an RPO type is a bit more glaring, if nothing other than the ability to create more time to make a play. The challenge with the latter is that the injury bug will definitively bite the QB position by the simple nature of a mobile QB. We've seen it too many times and continue to see it. Mahomes is hobbling around now and is doing the best he can. I think we've come full circle and need to beef up the OL and go back to a QB that reads like a Brees or Tom Brady. But good luck finding that gem. Tom Brady aptly described the current state of NFL football as average, and he's right; What's the average NFL record these days? We're in an age of the Lamar Jacksons. LSU's JD5 is a similar QB. But he ain't a fast reader either. Whiner got lucky with QB Purdy. We need to find out if "Pretty Boy" Haener can be a similar QB. But we won't with this coaching staff this year, unfortunately. The Raiders' starting QB was drafted right after Jake Haener and is winning games. Of course the Raiders did make a move at HC too. Their move shows as the [B][/B]team appears more motivated. Defending no one in particular but the offense is at a huge disadvantage to start with because our 2 middle school coaches are going up against real NFL level coaches on most Sundays. It shows in game prep and planning, we are consistently behind by the end of the 1st half if not the 1st quarter. Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb are trash-time kings of mediocrity. At this point we KNOW what Allen is, the team is not prepared, lacks discipline and accountability which starts with the head coach. Allen’s repeated sound bites post game, “we have to look at film see what went wrong what went right and play better. How do you think he has delivered on those talking points. IMHO the answer is a resounding NO for 2 seasons in a row. SmashMouth likes this.