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FWIW, the Bucs have a very good run defense.

And the Saints are not very good on the ground.

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Yeah, we're not that good in the air either......

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We’re not good.

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What I noticed in that Jags/Bucs game is how well Baker steps up in the pocket. Something Carrmaxx has struggled with ... all season long.

With no Lattimore, Mike Evans could do some damage. He's having an All Pro type season.

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Blowout

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I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

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I think most are. a lot guys have incentives, some are fighting for their careers. Not a good look to future suitors if you are perceived as given up. Think its pretty hard to "act" like they are if they really aren't. But hell who knows.

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I'd say most ... some are potentially auditioning for jobs elsewhere in 2024.

However looking at Kamara's body language last game (Rams), he's mentally checked out on this coaching staff.

I'm probably off base here but I just don't see the "will", "fire" & "desire" from players to lay it on the line for Allen. Was checking out that Raiders/Chiefs & Lions|Vikings game ... those players are performing HARD for Dan Campbell and interim HC Antonio Pierce.

Don't see that at all with Allen.

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I think Dennis Allen and Mickey Loomis have checked out and given up. I think Antonio Brown was more committed to the team at every moment during his tenures with both the Oakland Raiders and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers than DA and Loomis are to the Saints. They are just going through the motions and punching a clock so they can cash their checks. Loomis signed Carr and gave him tons of money because it locked up our salary cap and minimized our flexibility, leaving less work for him because few other transactions or moves would be possible other than simple base salary restructures, with no flexibility there are no tough decisions. Loomis frequently trades away our draft picks so the draft does not keep him off his precious golf course or away from the precious stocked cooler in his golf cart for 3 straight days. Those guys are max checked out. Guys like Kamara and Olave are probably the ones mostly coaching the team.

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Demario Davis is more or less our de facto coach at this point, albeit without any decision making power.

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Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

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I had posted my reply before I saw yours, bobdog. You are 100% correct.

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For anyone else (besides myself) who watches difference makers on Sundays ...

Dave Canales - Bucs offensive coordinator.

What did Todd Bowles do last year? Hired a new OC & elevated their offense & QB. Meanwhile our substitutes made no changes ("keep doing what you're doing") & kept the same, predictable 2012 offense. Hence the sub .500 record, getting embarassed on Sundays & on the brink of post season elimination :(.

Look at what he's done for Geno Smith & now Baker Mayfield in a short period of time. Not saying Dave is in line for a HC job, but if the Saints want to improve offensively, you need a young (42), innovative guy like this. If the Saints & Mickey Loomis are paying attention, I'd move on from Doug Marrone as well. Our O line stinks.

Coaching still matters. Even at this level :bng:

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For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

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Right.

This team doesn't have to "tank", they are bad and poorly coached :rolleyes:.

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I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

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What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****. ;)

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

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That's why I started with the qualifier that no one here knows what's going on behind the scenes. We can judge by effort on and off the field and behaviors (like not returning phone calls to the team).
It's just a forum, man. We all have opninons.

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Sometimes, when rumblings and reports and opinions make everything blurry, I sit back and watch my team continue to suck a$$… and everything becomes clear.

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Yes we do. And it is my opinion that what random fans and internet click-baiters think about what players are thinking carries far less weight than what other players and coaches say about what they think. But, I guess they could all be lying.

:D

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You know what used to be awesome? Remember when we watched the players on our team PLAY FOOTBALL AND WIN, instead of talking about what players and coaches say about what they’re thinking? That was awesome…

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Okay. I'll amend my statement of saying every single player would be trying their best. There are probably isolated players across the entire league that are too immature or stupid to listen to their agents and end up devaluing their marketability to teams across the league.

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When Loomis and Gayle hand out participation trophies after the falCANS beat us in our home closer, they better reserve the biggest trophy for Quido, and maybe some discounted merch for next season? Maybe a Carr Jersey with the number embroidered sideways?

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All I know is that they're teeing it up at 12 noon local time on Sunday & the team we're facing (Bucs) have won 4 straight.

And flat out embarassed the Jaguars ... a team we couldn't defeat at home.

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FACTS…

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Once again...

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Pretty much sums up the Saints 2023 season.

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I can't find BakoSaints post from a few months back but he was damn near spot on (again).

Basically said the Bucs are likely winning this division while doing a "soft" rebuild & signed Mayfield as the bridge/stop gap. Yet they are still looking good as of late.

From a Saints fan perspective, it seems more embarassing that Loomis went "all in" on winning the division, yet looking really, really bad.

With this so called "easy" schedule, there was no excuse NOT to win 10+ games. Classic example of bad coaching.

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If you look back I never said that iceshack was himself wrong. Nor did I say his opinion was wrong. He referenced "rumblings" which can be deduced as bloggers and/or other fans or sources other than himself. I only pointed out that actual players and coaches have made it a point that fans and many media types (including bloggers) commonly and wrongly insinuate that players quit and don't try.

Also, if you look back I amended by blanket statement saying that there could be isolated players that somewhat quit, but have attached a red flag to their foreheads which will likely adversely affect their futures in the league.

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The thing is, nobody really cares about all that drama, except you. Most of us just want to see a quality team WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. We have not, are not, and will not, at any foreseeable future time. This has been, is, and will be painful for all of us, except you.

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It's going to be a long game because of all the flags. That......and the Saints are going to be hard to watch for four quarters again. Thank God for beer! :cheers:

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You never know. As the article pointed out, this crew only threw three flags on the Saints earlier this season in the Jags game.

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19 total rushing yards against the Rams. Woweeee…

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Two main thoughts about this game:

1) That brat Mike Evans is probably going to give us trouble without his dad Lattimore to keep him in line.

2) Baker makes the same amount as our QB.

Well, Jameis.

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Three flags and all the king’s horses and all the king’s men,
couldn’t beat a 31 - 24 final score loss to the Jags.