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Since quite a few things have to happen for us to make playoffs, should we give Haener some game reps?

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100%.

Carr has shown us what he is. So has Jameis.

We aren't making the playoffs, give Haener some meaningful reps and see what the kid can do.

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Haener won’t see the field at all in 2023 boss.

Y’all forgot who the substitute teacher is in New Orleans.

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We could/should but all this team and coaching staff can think about is their Carr. Even in the games where he's had a flat tire and his alignment has his back bumper dragging on the ground, they've insisting on driving him.

I bet they hardly let Haener touch a surface tablet.

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I don't see us wasting an active roster spot while we are still alive. Besides, it really doesn't take much for us to make it to the playoffs. Just two things. We win our last two and Carolina, with nothing to lose having already traded away their2024 #1 pick and playing at home, beating the Bucs who just lost the week before.

That simple. We can let Haener compete with the QB we draft in the upcoming draft.

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They can't roster him as long as they are still alive. I cannot see any scenario where the team would quit trying while still alive and hope I never see my Saints do something like that.

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I think they’ve laced your Xanax with LSD.

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We are probably better off going oline in the draft and not exposing a rookie QB to a porous oline and inept coach. Especially with Ram deteriorating and depending on Peat's health at LT.

I do think there could be some value to putting in Haener if we fall way behind or next week, as a form of psychological warfare with Derek Carr. If Carr was to retire, step away from the game, act out, or demand a trade where we could get another team to agree to take even 1/3 of his salary or possible more for extra players/picks, it would be highly in our interests. So, it might be a smart move for us to make Carr unhappy by benching him. If he is happy, we have to pay him $30 million next year.

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If he is unhappy, he’ll sit back and collect his 30 mil. That seems to be the current trajectory of all aspects of this organization, except for the fans, who actually pay to be unhappy.

Re: Haener
 

Just as I figured. Haener is inactive, as he should be. Who you going to make inactive instead?

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It makes sense to have Haener inactive given that new emergency QB rule. Might as well leverage it.


My bigger gripe is the organization on the whole does a lousy job of developing young QB's and putting them in a position to contribute if the need arises. It was an issue under Payton too. It bit us in the arse with Book and others before him. Not saying we've had the most awesome talent in this regard (another issue) but we don't get much out of what we do have compared to other teams. We can't even get the occasional Mike White or Tommy DeVito flash in the pan that most other teams seem to eek out.

Re: Haener
 

Not necessarily. There are many players in league history who have passed by big money to retire when they are unhappy like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Several prominent 49ers players retired early during the end of Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Derek Carr supposedly wants to be a pastor, much like Tony Dungy or Reggie White. He also had two concussions this year and the year is not done. If Carr is happy he will definitely stick around to collect that check and still probably suck. If he is unhappy, anything is possible, so I would take my chances and make him unhappy.

Also, Derek Carr has a no trade clause. If he would agree to a trade, there are many possibilities to move a draft pick or player to unload some or all of his salary. For instance we could trade Adebo and Carr to some team for a 7th round pick. But Carr has to agree to the trade. Best way to get him to agree is to make him think its his idea. Best way to make it his idea is to make him unhappy.

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Ok. But I had to double check to make sure you didn’t put Barry Sanders and Derek Carr in the same sentence.

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All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also applied if cut or traded.

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After a long hard work week, it gives me great pleasure knowing that everybody gets paid. Thank you for your service.

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That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing.

I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders.

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After today, you can go ahead and mention Derek Carr’s name in the same sentence as ANY GREAT Player. He’s about to be our boy for quite some time. He is easily the next Dan Marino. He just needed time to develop, and we gave it to him.

Re: Haener
 

It's true, Bako. That's the way contracts work. Google it. When Brees retired his remaining guarantees remained on the books. There are certain exceptions that require an independent arbiter becoming involved. That's why most players retire at the end of an existing contract as to not screw the team.

Re: Haener
 

NOTHING can screw this team right now. We goin to the Super Bowl!

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We have to draft O line to protect whoever is under center. We just drafted Haener. Let's see what he has to offer. He won't see any playing time this year unless it's a blowout in Atlanta and I don't see that happening.

Haeners' had a year to get ready and training camp should be fun to watch him sling it around next year. There's always next year Saints fans! :bng:

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I don't see a scenario where Haener would even be active against Atlanta.

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Yeah, me either. If DA was getting fired the front office might want to see what the boys got.....but, alas.....we'll keep doing what we're doing. Which, is struggling to break even with DA leading us for another crappy season in 2024.

Re: Haener
 

Truly disappointing.

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There isn't another coach in the league that would put in an unproven rookie over a veteran when there is still a shot of making the playoffs. Not a single one.

I don't know who's going to be coaching next year, but I'll be pulling for my Saints as I have for the past 56 plus years.

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I know that this will bring the ire of a few posters here but Derek Carr really isn't the Saints biggest problem right now and he's likely better than Winston and Haener. In the next draft the Saints should focus on building from the ground up, so to speak. Work on both lines (especially the O-line) and go from there. I'd even get an LB or RB before thinking about drafting a QB.

Carr's numbers aren't bad :couch: -- I know he's got situational awareness issues-- but I think that the Saints can work with him going forward. That and they're married to his contract for a while as well.

Re: Haener
 

Amen.

Re: Haener
 

Translation: I feel fine with the doggie doo that’s been served up all season, and I’ll be fine with it next season. And I’ll keep coming back here to try to convince y’all that it’s filet mignon.

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At this point, we have to be realistic and assess the situation based on the way this organization runs. I’m pretty sure Carr will be the QB and Allen will be the coach. Saints have the 13th ranked defense which will save Allen his job, and I’ve started seeing more and more Saints fan make the same excuses for Carr that Raiders fans did for those 9 years of mediocrity. They’re going to run it back and we’ll have to pray for the best. I’m not sure who the offensive coordinator will be, but Ken Dorsey fits the mold of someone I believe Mickey Loomis would like.

Any optimism I had about this organization is currently running close to empty. I see Carr as nothing more than an expensive band aid trying to cover up multiple bullet wounds. I don’t think he’s better than Jameis Winston at anything other than protecting the ball. Andy Dalton could have given us 21 TD’s and 8 picks on a season for a whole lot cheaper, but Carr and his contract is here to stay.

This rebuild is going to be messy, and if we aren’t strategic and lucky, very long. Depending on what we do going forward, we could have $96 million in cap space going into 2026. That’s the Arch Manning year. Sounds like a story the NFL script writers might be interested in. Arch comes home to New Orleans to redeem his grandfathers team.

Re: Haener
 

Gonna be some pain…

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I don't believe any of our QBs have shown us what they have. We have the worst OC in the league. An OC can make all the difference in the world for a QB. I won't say anything about any QB until we get an OC that can call plays. Situational awareness issues within the context of a play could be due to how the play is designed read-wise, I am warning you all against reading anything into any QB we have. Like I see people saying Carr missed someone open but it might be one of the last reads in the play scheme. The QB may see someone open along the way but how they view the play is dependent on the OC. Playreads are more technical than people realize. It's like the order of operations or something. Carmichael also sucks so hard in the red zone. I don't care for Winston honestly, but I'm even giving him a pass.

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I tend to agree Carr is probably our best QB skill wise. Sometimes he looks like Dalton or Winston but lately he has improved, so though I am not sure he is better, he seems like the best of our bad choices today. However, he seems to be very overpaid, like if Winston costs $6 million Carr is perhaps worth $12-16 million but has $30 million guaranteed. So while Carr may be our best QB, and we may have to stick with him since his contract is guaranteed, I dont think he will ever be good enough to win us a ring. If a QB like him could win a ring it would be with an elite oline and elite defense. What we have is a very old team, a salary cap mess that makes it impossible to get much younger or add many good free agents, and a draft where we have already traded away a couple picks. Carr is not as good as Hurts or Purdy, he is paid more like Hurts than Purdy, and its virtually impossible for us to put the kind of roster Hurts and Purdy have around them around him. Just to stay under the cap we have to restructure Carr every year, which pushes his future cap averages into the Maholmes and Hurts range. So, Carr could be the best QB on our roster, but still a futile dead end.

Even if Loomis worked his Voldemort magic and we were the buggest spenders in free agency, damning the future forever, I dont think we could win with Carr. We are just nowhere close to the top NFC or AFC teams because our best players are old for their positions and breaking down. Even if we added an all pro olineman and two all pros on defense, it would probably just be a break even with our existing players like ram, lattimore, jordan, davis, and mathieu all getting older and declining rapidly. To truly suceed we need a reset with lots of draft picks and a young roster with upside. We can never win trying to run it back one more time with the oldest roster in the league that is .500 in the weakest division in the league and married to a high cost mediocre qb.

Re: Haener
 

There will be pain.

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I predict that Carr will look 10 times better under a great OC. I'd stake my reputation on it.

Re: Haener
 

A decent game or two does not make him out best QB. We haven't seen what Haener can do yet. There is a reason the Raiders moved on from him after so many years. We already know all too well he's not worth his contract.

He might or he might not. A Brees he is not. We've seen our fair share of his overlooking wide open targets. He is tenured enough to be better than what he's shown however. Hence the argument on whether he's worth his contract... which is at this point not really an argument anymore.

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Carr is the epitome of mediocre. Sure, another OC may get more out of him, but he'll never become a top tier QB to get you where you want to be. See his 10 years of production. Pocket presence is still POOR.

Middle of the road NFL QB. Nothing more, nothing less.

Saints would be crazy NOT to draft another QB in 2024.

As for Haener, he'll never get a legit shot in New Orleans while the substitute teacher is still here. His guy will always be DCarr regardless of how poorly he may perform.

Re: Haener
 

There will be pain.

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I keep hearing talk about how the Saints have such an old roster. By average age they were the 2nd oldest entering the season. But their roster was an average of only 15 months older than the 28th oldest, or 5th youngest, team in the league (Colts).

Re: Haener
 

Maybe it’s because they look and play old.

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Since we're tied to Carr for two more seasons, I'm optimistic for a new OC who can refresh the scheme and get more from the entire offense.

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There will be yawning…