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Sinner 01-04-2024 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 990231)
"If that doesn't get your attention..."
"This is a must win game"
This stuff is annoying. Every game should be considered a must win game unless the playoffs are locked up and a win or loss doesn't move the needle either way. :brood:
We need more of these type of guys:
https://fanbuzz.com/wp-content/uploa...FL-players.png
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1Iho3N4r7lU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/vkX3...262976.0.0.jpg

And a Head Coach. We need a new Head Coach.

Rugby Saint II 01-04-2024 03:44 PM

Re: Week Eighteen: Falcons @ Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990232)
And a Head Coach. We need a new Head Coach.

We need a new coach to lead those bad asses in to battle!

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 04:18 PM

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDBhj7_W...g&name=900x900

AsylumGuido 01-04-2024 04:22 PM

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Sinner 01-04-2024 04:22 PM

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Can we get a shot of you kissing the bottom of that boot?

K Major 01-04-2024 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990264)
Can we get a shot of you kissing the bottom of that boot?

Imagine if they would have had that energy 10+ weeks ago :rolleyes:?

The Division would have been locked up by now & not score board watching in the final game of the season, "hoping", "relying" on other teams to get a playoff berth.

Yep, 8-8 sounds about right.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 09:18 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 10:19 AM

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Danno 01-05-2024 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990280)


Funeral attire?

Sinner 01-05-2024 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 990281)
Funeral attire?

EXACTLY.

MatthewT 01-05-2024 11:19 AM

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Something tells me this Sunday Taysom Hill gonna run the ball between 15 to 20 times. He gonna get so beat up he won't be available for the playoffs if the miracle happens.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 990281)
Funeral attire?

Given we're going to kill the Failclowns, why not?

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 990285)
Something tells me this Sunday Taysom Hill gonna run the ball between 15 to 20 times. He gonna get so beat up he won't be available for the playoffs if the miracle happens.

Or he'll be repeatedly running into the end zone untouched. :D

:bng:

Sinner 01-05-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990288)
Given we're going to kill the Failclowns, why not?

If you haven’t learned humility by now, it will take humiliation to teach it to you.

K Major 01-05-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990290)
If you haven’t learned humility by now, it will take humiliation to teach it to you.

+1.

Didn't the 8-8 Saints lose to the pathetic Falcons earlier this year?

Sinner 01-05-2024 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 990293)
+1.

Didn't the 8-8 Saints lose to the pathetic Falcons earlier this year?

Yes, when it actually mattered more.

iceshack149 01-05-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 990293)
+1.

Didn't the 8-8 Saints lose to the pathetic Falcons earlier this year?

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990294)
Yes, when it actually mattered more.

But THIS is a must win game.:confused:

bobdog86 01-05-2024 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990290)
If you haven’t learned humility by now, it will take humiliation to teach it to you.

Hey! who said that? Ghangis Khan? Buddha, Shooter McGavin, Bobby Bouchet? The Dude?

Sinner 01-05-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 990300)
Hey! who said that? Ghangis Khan? Buddha, Shooter McGavin, Bobby Bouchet? The Dude?

I think it was Napoleon Bone Apart.

Rugby Saint II 01-05-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 990266)
Imagine if they would have had that energy 10+ weeks ago :rolleyes:?

The Division would have been locked up by now & not score board watching in the final game of the season, "hoping", "relying" on other teams to get a playoff berth.

Yep, 8-8 sounds about right.

Carmichael finally took everyone's suggestions and introduced play action, motion, and a few other wrinkles and BANG! We start playing better on offense. Too little. Too late. He'll fit in nicely with Payton in Denver though. They work well together and seem to compliment each other.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 01:48 PM

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SaintFanInATLHELL 01-05-2024 01:49 PM

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But that was a must win game too.

Face it: the 2023 Saints were too inconsistent to deserve a playoff berth this season. If they could accomplish simple things like holding on to a 17 point 4th quarter lead in Green Bay, or beating the Failclowns when they had the chance, no one would be wishing and hoping that things fall into place in order to back into a 7th playoff seed.

I will watch this weekend with no expectations. It'll be a gift if it falls together, but I would expect that this will be the last game for the 2023 squad. They missed their chances to do better earlier in the season.

Still given all that, I still am going to hope that the squad can pull it together one last time and put it on the Failclowns. Then at least I won't have to hear an entire offseason of how we were swept and the ubiquitous "You are wearing the wrong gear." though I get the latter win, lose, or draw here in the ATL.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:07 PM

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Payton Turner finally returns this Sunday from the severe dislocation of two toes.

Kamara is going to be a game time decision.



AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 990309)
But that was a must win game too.

Face it: the 2023 Saints were too inconsistent to deserve a playoff berth this season. If they could accomplish simple things like holding on to a 17 point 4th quarter lead in Green Bay, or beating the Failclowns when they had the chance, no one would be wishing and hoping that things fall into place in order to back into a 7th playoff seed.

I will watch this weekend with no expectations. It'll be a gift if it falls together, but I would expect that this will be the last game for the 2023 squad. They missed their chances to do better earlier in the season.

Still given all that, I still am going to hope that the squad can pull it together one last time and put it on the Failclowns. Then at least I won't have to hear an entire offseason of how we were swept and the ubiquitous "You are wearing the wrong gear." though I get the latter win, lose, or draw here in the ATL.

SFIAH

The win will put us at 4-2 in the division. That's at least a move in the right direction.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:10 PM

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Sounds like if it is at all possible Kamara will be in there.


AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:21 PM

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Several other players have dealt with this recently, but they've all been able to play.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:32 PM

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AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 02:34 PM

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This sounds promising for Kamara's presence.


Sinner 01-05-2024 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 990296)
But THIS is a must win game.:confused:

EVERY GAME IS A MUST-WIN GAME. “Hello?!?”

iceshack149 01-05-2024 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990328)
EVERY GAME IS A MUST-WIN GAME.

Exactly.

Sinner 01-05-2024 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990320)
The win will put us at 4-2 in the division. That's at least a move in the right direction.

There’s that pat on the back for needledick Allen, that will bring more of the same pleasure to you for a few more years. Yayyyy!

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 990329)
Exactly.

Yet only one team in the history of the league has won every game. Go figure.

Sinner 01-05-2024 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 990332)
Yet only one team in the history of the league has won every game. Go figure.

What I’m gonna go figure is we AINT cuttin it.

SaintFanInATLHELL 01-05-2024 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990328)
EVERY GAME IS A MUST-WIN GAME. “Hello?!?”

Objectively, that is not true. There are some games that are more important that others. In approximate order of importance:

1) Division games. Head to head in the division and then division record are the 1st two tiebreakers in the division.

2) Common opponents. Important because teams in a division share 12 out of 17 opponents (4 in the division, 8 inter and intra conference games)

3) Conference opponents. Conference record is used for wildcard tiebreakers.

So, for example the Giants game simply isn't as important as a Failclows game as no one else in the division played the Giants.

Beating the Failclowns the first time would have secured the division. It was a must win. Beating the Rams? Not so much as it's only in category 3 above.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 01-05-2024 04:44 PM

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It's official now. Payton Turner has been activated from IR to the active roster and is expected to play. We can use a fresh motor in the pass rush for this game and our playoff run.

Rugby Saint II 01-05-2024 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 990330)
There’s that pat on the back for needledick Allen, that will bring more of the same pleasure to you for a few more years. Yayyyy!

Well, the good news is that if Dennis Allen is here for a few more years then he figured things out and we're winning.

The bad news is that the New Orleans Saints have never in their history fired a coach after two seasons. DA will be back to start the season. However, PC won't be back and we will have a new OC. If we're lucky, the new OC is an Alpha who takes control of the offense and the team rallies around him.

Sinner 01-05-2024 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 990338)
Objectively, that is not true. There are some games that are more important that others. In approximate order of importance:

1) Division games. Head to head in the division and then division record are the 1st two tiebreakers in the division.

2) Common opponents. Important because teams in a division share 12 out of 17 opponents (4 in the division, 8 inter and intra conference games)

3) Conference opponents. Conference record is used for wildcard tiebreakers.

So, for example the Giants game simply isn't as important as a Failclows game as no one else in the division played the Giants.

Beating the Failclowns the first time would have secured the division. It was a must win. Beating the Rams? Not so much as it's only in category 3 above.

SFIAH

Objectively, the Objective is to WIN. PERIOD.

BakoSaint 01-05-2024 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 990346)
Well, the good news is that if Dennis Allen is here for a few more years then he figured things out and we're winning.

The bad news is that the New Orleans Saints have never in their history fired a coach after two seasons. DA will be back to start the season. However, PC won't be back and we will have a new OC. If we're lucky, the new OC is an Alpha who takes control of the offense and the team rallies around him.

If Dennis Allen is here a few more years, it could also mean he has naked pictures of Mickey Loomis and Dennis Louseka.

It seems likely that an offensive coordinator with leadership skills could succeed behind a head coach without any. Such an offensive coordinator might assert authority and bench Carr if he struggles, Ram if he is playing too hurt, or Renfrow if he is washed but Loomis trades for him to 'win now' and 'get more Raiders', but then that offensive coordinator would likely be overruled by Loomis and Allen for contradicting their master moves and making them look bad, and would lose all authority and no longer be able to leader. The only way an assistant coach could solve our problems would be if they were such a strong leader that they could effectively convince Allen and Loomis to defer to them, in which case we would have a new head coach and GM, which is what we actually need.

Rugby Saint II 01-06-2024 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 990354)
If Dennis Allen is here a few more years, it could also mean he has naked pictures of Mickey Loomis and Dennis Louseka.

It seems likely that an offensive coordinator with leadership skills could succeed behind a head coach without any. Such an offensive coordinator might assert authority and bench Carr if he struggles, Ram if he is playing too hurt, or Renfrow if he is washed but Loomis trades for him to 'win now' and 'get more Raiders', but then that offensive coordinator would likely be overruled by Loomis and Allen for contradicting their master moves and making them look bad, and would lose all authority and no longer be able to leader. The only way an assistant coach could solve our problems would be if they were such a strong leader that they could effectively convince Allen and Loomis to defer to them, in which case we would have a new head coach and GM, which is what we actually need.

I guess it all boils down to, can Mickey Loomis find a qualified OC? He looked the last two years during the offseason and we couldn't find anyone better than PC. What makes this year different?

Sinner 01-06-2024 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 990369)
I guess it all boils down to, can Mickey Loomis find a qualified OC? He looked the last two years during the offseason and we couldn't find anyone better than PC. What makes this year different?

Bottom line is, if this Head Coach makes me yawn, I can only imagine the effect he has on the Players. Actually, I don’t have to imagine it.


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