Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook

B_Dub_Saint · 01-17-2024, 09:51 AM

Now that PC is gone, I got to thinking about how this new offensive scheme would operate. I know this is all dependent on who we hire and what their offensive philosophy will be.

I know these guys are pro's, however, executing a new offense and remembering the playbook will be a challenge in itself.

What are ya'lls realistic expectations on the players picking up this offense and running it like a well oiled machine?

With the flack that Carr took, he will be behind the 8 ball in 2024 doing a reset. My concern with this past season was that we could not get in rhythm with a very vanilla west coast offensive scheme. Any pre-snap motion, players lining up correctly, and O-line blocking assignments come to mind as hurdles we might see early on in the season.

BakoSaint · 01-17-2024, 11:54 AM

I am sure this will be used as an excuse for Derek Carr being as inconsistent as Derek Carr has always been. Then Carr will begin to improve at the end of the season when the pressure is off because we no longer control our own destiny and he can play stress free with our chances depending on other teams and even more stress free when we are eliminated. This improvement will be taken as cause for optimism that he will excel in 2025 when he finally gets 2 years in the same system, since we wont be able to afford the dead cap of cutting him anyway. Same old, same old. Chopping wood.

K Major · 01-17-2024, 11:57 AM

The run game has been poor last couple of seasons. Former Saints RB (recently hired with the Giants) coach Joel Thomas was probably on his way out anyways.

Saints need to get better here.

papz · 01-17-2024, 12:54 PM

Our offense looked a lot better as we started utilizing our TE more. That's something we definitely need to continue doing regardless of who our OC is. Utilizing the TE was always a big part of Carr's success and we abandoned that for half the season.

SmashMouth · 01-17-2024, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Now that PC is gone, I got to thinking about how this new offensive scheme would operate. I know this is all dependent on who we hire and what their offensive philosophy will be.

I know these guys are pro's, however, executing a new offense and remembering the playbook will be a challenge in itself.

What are ya'lls realistic expectations on the players picking up this offense and running it like a well oiled machine?

With the flack that Carr took, he will be behind the 8 ball in 2024 doing a reset. My concern with this past season was that we could not get in rhythm with a very vanilla west coast offensive scheme. Any pre-snap motion, players lining up correctly, and O-line blocking assignments come to mind as hurdles we might see early on in the season.

Good to hear from you, Brother.

Stop by in Mandy the next time you visit family. Halo and I will make time to commiserate over some adult beverages of choice.

B_Dub_Saint · 01-17-2024, 02:20 PM

What's up brother! I definitely will. I won't be picky of any adult beverage. Olde English 40's all day with some crawfish.

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Good to hear form you, Brother.

Stop by in Mandy the next time you visit family. Halo and I will make time to commiserate over some adult beverages of choice.

saintsfan1976 · 01-17-2024, 02:29 PM

Have said this for years - we go as the O line goes.

I know that sounds obvious but I believe giving Carr another 1.5 seconds could be enough.

NOLA54 · 01-17-2024, 06:52 PM

This is what gets me. Carr has been in the league for many years and still hasn't developed into a premiere QB. So why does he still have to be coddled like a rookie.
He is never going to be that QB. Is there even a coach who could suddenly bring that out in him. They are wasting their and our time.

Rugby Saint II · 01-20-2024, 04:20 PM

Relax everybody! Jon Gruden will put Derek Carr in the best position to succeed. Remember, he had his best games under Gruden. I believe that it took too much time, but Carr is finally on the same page as his receivers and even in a new system that shouldn't change too much. Our top priority should be keeping Carr clean in the pocket with a better O line who could also open up some much needed holes for the running backs who struggled this season behind a make shift O line this year.

Crusader · 01-21-2024, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

The run game has been poor last couple of seasons. Former Saints RB (recently hired with the Giants) coach Joel Thomas was probably on his way out anyways.

Saints need to get better here.

I totally agree. We have been poor as **** at running the ball the last couple of years. We have a player like Kamara and don't utilise him in a good way on the ground.

01-17-2024, 09:51 AM	#1
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01-17-2024, 11:54 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook I am sure this will be used as an excuse for Derek Carr being as inconsistent as Derek Carr has always been. Then Carr will begin to improve at the end of the season when the pressure is off because we no longer control our own destiny and he can play stress free with our chances depending on other teams and even more stress free when we are eliminated. This improvement will be taken as cause for optimism that he will excel in 2025 when he finally gets 2 years in the same system, since we wont be able to afford the dead cap of cutting him anyway. Same old, same old. Chopping wood. neugey and B_Dub_Saint like this.
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01-17-2024, 11:57 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook The run game has been poor last couple of seasons. Former Saints RB (recently hired with the Giants) coach Joel Thomas was probably on his way out anyways. Saints need to get better here. Danno, Crusader and B_Dub_Saint like this.

01-17-2024, 12:54 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook Our offense looked a lot better as we started utilizing our TE more. That's something we definitely need to continue doing regardless of who our OC is. Utilizing the TE was always a big part of Carr's success and we abandoned that for half the season. Danno, B_Dub_Saint and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-17-2024, 02:06 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Now that PC is gone, I got to thinking about how this new offensive scheme would operate. I know this is all dependent on who we hire and what their offensive philosophy will be. I know these guys are pro's, however, executing a new offense and remembering the playbook will be a challenge in itself. What are ya'lls realistic expectations on the players picking up this offense and running it like a well oiled machine? With the flack that Carr took, he will be behind the 8 ball in 2024 doing a reset. My concern with this past season was that we could not get in rhythm with a very vanilla west coast offensive scheme. Any pre-snap motion, players lining up correctly, and O-line blocking assignments come to mind as hurdles we might see early on in the season. Good to hear from you, Brother. Stop by in Mandy the next time you visit family. Halo and I will make time to commiserate over some adult beverages of choice. B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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01-17-2024, 02:20 PM	#6
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook What's up brother! I definitely will. I won't be picky of any adult beverage. Olde English 40's all day with some crawfish. Originally Posted by SmashMouth Good to hear form you, Brother. Stop by in Mandy the next time you visit family. Halo and I will make time to commiserate over some adult beverages of choice. K Major likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook Have said this for years - we go as the O line goes. I know that sounds obvious but I believe giving Carr another 1.5 seconds could be enough. B_Dub_Saint likes this.

01-17-2024, 06:52 PM	#8
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook This is what gets me. Carr has been in the league for many years and still hasn't developed into a premiere QB. So why does he still have to be coddled like a rookie. He is never going to be that QB. Is there even a coach who could suddenly bring that out in him. They are wasting their and our time. B_Dub_Saint likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook Relax everybody! Jon Gruden will put Derek Carr in the best position to succeed. Remember, he had his best games under Gruden. I believe that it took too much time, but Carr is finally on the same page as his receivers and even in a new system that shouldn't change too much. Our top priority should be keeping Carr clean in the pocket with a better O line who could also open up some much needed holes for the running backs who struggled this season behind a make shift O line this year. jnormand and Danno like this.

01-21-2024, 03:44 AM	#10
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Expectations of new OC & digesting the playbook Originally Posted by K Major The run game has been poor last couple of seasons. Former Saints RB (recently hired with the Giants) coach Joel Thomas was probably on his way out anyways. Saints need to get better here. I totally agree. We have been poor as **** at running the ball the last couple of years. We have a player like Kamara and don't utilise him in a good way on the ground.