Draft Question

keithday123 · 01-30-2024, 10:57 PM

So what happens with the Saints sitting at 14 if one of these mid level quarterbacks like Nix or Pennix is there? Do the Saints draft one if they really like them, draft another position of need, or look for a trade partner who may really want one of these guys? Haven’t really heard this question answered so was just wondering on everyone’s opinion.

lee909 · 01-31-2024, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by keithday123

So what happens with the Saints sitting at 14 if one of these mid level quarterbacks like Nix or Pennix is there? Do the Saints draft one if they really like them, draft another position of need, or look for a trade partner who may really want one of these guys? Haven’t really heard this question answered so was just wondering on everyone’s opinion.

They are in no position to waste a pick on a player that will sit for a few years imo. Once they end up restructuring Carrs contract to get under the cap you can guarantee he will have 2/3 years before they can move him on most likely

MatthewT · 01-31-2024, 07:40 AM

If a QB the Saints love happens to fall to them at 14, they would absolutely pull the trigger and draft him. I can even see them moving up a little if necessary. Yes, the Saints are committed to Carr, but a commitment to any player doesn't mean you sit back and never try to improve. What I can just about guarantee is they won't draft a QB in round 1 that needs a lot of work to be NFL ready, it would have to be someone by their 2nd year should be able to win the starting job.

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2024, 07:47 AM

I seriously doubt the Saints would take a QB at 14. They made a longer term commitment to Carr when they picked him up. They appear to remain in a win now mode and have publicly stated their needs on both lines. Moving down simply is not in their (Loomis') DNA, as well. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they moved up in the mid-rounds to pick up competition with Haener as a developmental/backup piece.

SmashMouth · 01-31-2024, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by keithday123

So what happens with the Saints sitting at 14 if one of these mid level quarterbacks like Nix or Pennix is there? Do the Saints draft one if they really like them, draft another position of need, or look for a trade partner who may really want one of these guys? Haven’t really heard this question answered so was just wondering on everyone’s opinion.

We have this already... why waste a pick on another one.

Draft the meanest badest OL and DL you can buy, and then some.

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2024, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We have this already... why waste a pick on another one.

Draft the meanest badest OL and DL you can buy, and then some.

I really hope we try to address the lines mainly in free agency so they can contribute immediately. There's supposed to be a slew of them on the market. For the most part anyone you pick up in the draft is going to require a good deal of work before they can contribute. Not to say we shouldn't also target some big uglies via the draft, but understanding they likely won't be starting any time soon.

SmashMouth · 01-31-2024, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I really hope we try to address the lines mainly in free agency so they can contribute immediately. There's supposed to be a slew of them on the market. For the most part anyone you pick up in the draft is going to require a good deal of work before they can contribute. Not to say we shouldn't also target some big uglies via the draft, but understanding they likely won't be starting any time soon.

This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry.

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2024, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry.

What good is the cap if you don't spend it?

It's guaranteed to keep climbing through the end of this latest contract round which is basically a decade from now. Then they'll have another round of new huge deals.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-31-2024, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry.

It's not the limit that's the problem. It's the payments. It's clear that fans are tired of extensions for aging players and they think the Saints should bite the bullet and cut them loose.

We have to start asking the question do we just let productive players go after their first contract. That's going to be the choice. Or maybe we should go to the model of rookie contract, then franchise for 2 years, then let them go. Or just keep cycling rookie and free agent contracts. Bottom line is that there is no "have their cake and eat it too"system where players stay on into a 2nd contract that's significantly less than market value.

Start asking yourself the questions: What to do with Olave in a year or two? What about Shaheed after next season? Are you going just let those guys go?

I've seen in the last couple of years that the spin on cap management is simply to get under the cap number. But it's not just that. The team gets to keep productive guys here. But when they are less productive and more expensive, what do you do then?

It's not the cap limits. Cap goes up almost every year so pushing more expensive payments into the future isn't a bad plan. But the team has to pay in the end. The question is what's the most efficient way to do that?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 01-31-2024, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's not the limit that's the problem. It's the payments. It's clear that fans are tired of extensions for aging players and they think the Saints should bite the bullet and cut them loose.

We have to start asking the question do we just let productive players go after their first contract. That's going to be the choice. Or maybe we should go to the model of rookie contract, then franchise for 2 years, then let them go. Or just keep cycling rookie and free agent contracts. Bottom line is that there is no "have their cake and eat it too"system where players stay on into a 2nd contract that's significantly less than market value.

Start asking yourself the questions: What to do with Olave in a year or two? What about Shaheed after next season? Are you going just let those guys go?

I've seen in the last couple of years that the spin on cap management is simply to get under the cap number. But it's not just that. The team gets to keep productive guys here. But when they are less productive and more expensive, what do you do then?

It's not the cap limits. Cap goes up almost every year so pushing more expensive payments into the future isn't a bad plan. But the team has to pay in the end. The question is what's the most efficient way to do that?

SFIAH

Yup. The Saints, and a growing number of other NFL franchises, are leveraging the proven cap behavior. With any accounting methodology a company uses it comes with a number of positive and negative consequences. In this way an NFL franchise is no different than ABC Corporation. But for any accounting method to be able to reap its specific benefits it has to be used consistently. If for no reason other than this nobody should expect Loomis and "company" to vary from the path they are currently following.

01-30-2024, 10:57 PM	#1
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01-31-2024, 12:09 AM	#2
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,780 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by keithday123 So what happens with the Saints sitting at 14 if one of these mid level quarterbacks like Nix or Pennix is there? Do the Saints draft one if they really like them, draft another position of need, or look for a trade partner who may really want one of these guys? Haven’t really heard this question answered so was just wondering on everyone’s opinion. They are in no position to waste a pick on a player that will sit for a few years imo. Once they end up restructuring Carrs contract to get under the cap you can guarantee he will have 2/3 years before they can move him on most likely Danno likes this.

01-31-2024, 07:40 AM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,706	Re: Draft Question If a QB the Saints love happens to fall to them at 14, they would absolutely pull the trigger and draft him. I can even see them moving up a little if necessary. Yes, the Saints are committed to Carr, but a commitment to any player doesn't mean you sit back and never try to improve. What I can just about guarantee is they won't draft a QB in round 1 that needs a lot of work to be NFL ready, it would have to be someone by their 2nd year should be able to win the starting job.

01-31-2024, 07:47 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: Draft Question I seriously doubt the Saints would take a QB at 14. They made a longer term commitment to Carr when they picked him up. They appear to remain in a win now mode and have publicly stated their needs on both lines. Moving down simply is not in their (Loomis') DNA, as well. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they moved up in the mid-rounds to pick up competition with Haener as a developmental/backup piece.

01-31-2024, 08:00 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by keithday123 So what happens with the Saints sitting at 14 if one of these mid level quarterbacks like Nix or Pennix is there? Do the Saints draft one if they really like them, draft another position of need, or look for a trade partner who may really want one of these guys? Haven’t really heard this question answered so was just wondering on everyone’s opinion. We have this already... why waste a pick on another one. Draft the meanest badest OL and DL you can buy, and then some. iceshack149, Danno, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

01-31-2024, 09:10 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by SmashMouth We have this already... why waste a pick on another one. Draft the meanest badest OL and DL you can buy, and then some. I really hope we try to address the lines mainly in free agency so they can contribute immediately. There's supposed to be a slew of them on the market. For the most part anyone you pick up in the draft is going to require a good deal of work before they can contribute. Not to say we shouldn't also target some big uglies via the draft, but understanding they likely won't be starting any time soon. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-31-2024, 09:14 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I really hope we try to address the lines mainly in free agency so they can contribute immediately. There's supposed to be a slew of them on the market. For the most part anyone you pick up in the draft is going to require a good deal of work before they can contribute. Not to say we shouldn't also target some big uglies via the draft, but understanding they likely won't be starting any time soon. This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry.

01-31-2024, 09:15 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by SmashMouth This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry. What good is the cap if you don't spend it? It's guaranteed to keep climbing through the end of this latest contract round which is basically a decade from now. Then they'll have another round of new huge deals.

01-31-2024, 11:06 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by SmashMouth This means more cap deficits... At some point the credit limit will be reached, even with our cap navigation wizardry. It's not the limit that's the problem. It's the payments. It's clear that fans are tired of extensions for aging players and they think the Saints should bite the bullet and cut them loose. We have to start asking the question do we just let productive players go after their first contract. That's going to be the choice. Or maybe we should go to the model of rookie contract, then franchise for 2 years, then let them go. Or just keep cycling rookie and free agent contracts. Bottom line is that there is no "have their cake and eat it too"system where players stay on into a 2nd contract that's significantly less than market value. Start asking yourself the questions: What to do with Olave in a year or two? What about Shaheed after next season? Are you going just let those guys go? I've seen in the last couple of years that the spin on cap management is simply to get under the cap number. But it's not just that. The team gets to keep productive guys here. But when they are less productive and more expensive, what do you do then? It's not the cap limits. Cap goes up almost every year so pushing more expensive payments into the future isn't a bad plan. But the team has to pay in the end. The question is what's the most efficient way to do that? SFIAH Danno and AsylumGuido like this.
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01-31-2024, 11:29 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: Draft Question Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's not the limit that's the problem. It's the payments. It's clear that fans are tired of extensions for aging players and they think the Saints should bite the bullet and cut them loose. We have to start asking the question do we just let productive players go after their first contract. That's going to be the choice. Or maybe we should go to the model of rookie contract, then franchise for 2 years, then let them go. Or just keep cycling rookie and free agent contracts. Bottom line is that there is no "have their cake and eat it too"system where players stay on into a 2nd contract that's significantly less than market value. Start asking yourself the questions: What to do with Olave in a year or two? What about Shaheed after next season? Are you going just let those guys go? I've seen in the last couple of years that the spin on cap management is simply to get under the cap number. But it's not just that. The team gets to keep productive guys here. But when they are less productive and more expensive, what do you do then? It's not the cap limits. Cap goes up almost every year so pushing more expensive payments into the future isn't a bad plan. But the team has to pay in the end. The question is what's the most efficient way to do that? SFIAH Yup. The Saints, and a growing number of other NFL franchises, are leveraging the proven cap behavior. With any accounting methodology a company uses it comes with a number of positive and negative consequences. In this way an NFL franchise is no different than ABC Corporation. But for any accounting method to be able to reap its specific benefits it has to be used consistently. If for no reason other than this nobody should expect Loomis and "company" to vary from the path they are currently following.