Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion

K Major · 03-17-2024, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/nofnetwork/statu...68615104348352

Mike Triplette is wrong.

The TE experiment with Juwan Johnson should be over.
He does not move the needle. No need to wait 4 years

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Go draft another TE. It’s time.

Copy cat league, go do what the winning organizations are doing.
See Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave & Sam LaPorta. Immediate contributors from the 2023 rookie class.

BakoSaint · 03-18-2024, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mike Triplette is wrong.

The TE experiment with Juwan Johnson should be over.
He does not move the needle. No need to wait 4 years .

Go draft another TE. It’s time.

Copy cat league, go do what the winning organizations are doing.
See Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave & Sam LaPorta. Immediate contributors from the 2023 rookie class.

LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys.

Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed.

Musgrave had 350 yards receiving.

LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game.

The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position.

saintsfan1976 · 03-18-2024, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys.

Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed.

Musgrave had 350 yards receiving.

LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game.

The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position.

Hockenson. #8 overall.

K Major · 03-18-2024, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys.

Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed.

Musgrave had 350 yards receiving.

LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game.

The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position.

Wait, what?! Brother, I think you missed my point.

If you think the Saints are going places with Juwan or Foster, you are sadly mistaken. Musgrave had 350 yards of production as a rookie, but how many did Foster have in 2023?

As for Kincad, he was a baller in post season & was money vs Pittsburgh opening round of the playoffs & led all WR's in production the following week in the divisional rd vs the Champs.

How is advancing to the divisional rd of the playoffs (Something Saints haven't seen in 4 seasons) regressing?

Would you consider Adam Trautman aka the Fish a middle round target? How well did that go for him in New Orleans? That was a terrible dart throw by the organization.

And lastly, LaPorta was a ROOKIE in 2023 & played up to his draft status. FYI, Sam played in all 17 games (started in 14) boss & had 97 yards of offense vs Niners in the NFC championship game. I can only go by what I see on Sundays. The NFL is production driven league. If you aren't producing, you will get replaced.

We need better talent & production at the TE position.

The draft as a whole is a risk (see Davenport, Payton Turner, Penning and WTFoskey). "No risk it, no biscuit".

03-17-2024, 04:20 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/nofnetwork/statu...68615104348352 Mike Triplette is wrong. The TE experiment with Juwan Johnson should be over. He does not move the needle. No need to wait 4 years . Go draft another TE. It’s time. Copy cat league, go do what the winning organizations are doing. See Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave & Sam LaPorta. Immediate contributors from the 2023 rookie class. saintsfan1976 and SmashMouth like this.

03-18-2024, 01:40 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,408	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by K Major Mike Triplette is wrong. The TE experiment with Juwan Johnson should be over. He does not move the needle. No need to wait 4 years . Go draft another TE. It’s time. Copy cat league, go do what the winning organizations are doing. See Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave & Sam LaPorta. Immediate contributors from the 2023 rookie class. LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys. Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed. Musgrave had 350 yards receiving. LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game. The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position.
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03-18-2024, 08:08 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by BakoSaint LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys. Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed. Musgrave had 350 yards receiving. LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game. The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position. Hockenson. #8 overall. K Major likes this.

03-18-2024, 09:57 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2024 Saints Draft Discussion Originally Posted by BakoSaint LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys. Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed. Musgrave had 350 yards receiving. LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game. The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position. Wait, what?! Brother, I think you missed my point. If you think the Saints are going places with Juwan or Foster, you are sadly mistaken. Musgrave had 350 yards of production as a rookie, but how many did Foster have in 2023? As for Kincad, he was a baller in post season & was money vs Pittsburgh opening round of the playoffs & led all WR's in production the following week in the divisional rd vs the Champs. How is advancing to the divisional rd of the playoffs (Something Saints haven't seen in 4 seasons) regressing? Would you consider Adam Trautman aka the Fish a middle round target? How well did that go for him in New Orleans? That was a terrible dart throw by the organization. And lastly, LaPorta was a ROOKIE in 2023 & played up to his draft status. FYI, Sam played in all 17 games (started in 14) boss & had 97 yards of offense vs Niners in the NFC championship game. I can only go by what I see on Sundays. The NFL is production driven league. If you aren't producing, you will get replaced. We need better talent & production at the TE position. The draft as a whole is a risk (see Davenport, Payton Turner, Penning and WTFoskey). "No risk it, no biscuit". Rell&Gold likes this.