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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The average fan doesn't pay the salaries. Billionaire owners pay the salaries with less than half the revenues they receive from mostly broadcasting rights. After limited taxes they pocket the rest. Players deserve every last penny ...
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05-13-2024, 06:22 PM | #511 |
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
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You are correct... but for this discussion of the previous point, your point is irrelevant. A fan is entitled to have his/her viewpoint, regardless of what the owners make, players make, etc... Good for Peat to have earned what he earned, but his was not a compensation commensurate with his pears that played at a higher level. No one is taking about Willie Roaf or Jarhi Evans in the same light, for example. Peat was a turnstile for much of his career as a Saint, less so last year, but still a turnstile nonetheless, an expensive one. But he got his.
Good for Brees to have earned what he earned too. But comparing Brees and Brady and their salaries showed a difference in self sacrifice in terms of compensation of their close teammates. This is a different discussion also for the purpose again of the previous point. NBA players are overpaid too, and they continually violate and are allowed to violate the rules of the game. So many players walk, hand palm, and other non-called penalties. I mean three or more steps to a dunk or a pass takes away from the enjoyment. And it's no longer basketball if you can take five steps or palm the ball to a dunk or layup. Same goes for the NFL when players are allowed to OPI/DPI sans consequences, as an example. And it could be argued they put their bodies less at risk today in light of how the rules are crafted, and how the equipment has given them the overconfidence to hurl themselves during plays, thereby having fans say they deserve everything they can get. NFL is less fun today than yesteryear's version. I would argue yesteryear's players deserved more than what they were compensated. Do you remember Brees' first contract as a Saint? Compare that to today's QB contracts. It's gross what some of these overpaid QBs are. Cousins with the FailClowns. LOLZ. NBA and NFL aren't individual sports like tennis or golf where those athletes truly deserve what they earn. Sometimes one could say the same about baseball if referencing a shutout pitcher of a crazy good homerun hitter. Relying on a teammate to perform to elicit a team breaking contract is what we've seen. Brees made his OL appear much better then they deserved, Same goes for Mahomes and Brady. Messi in a team sport like soccer can put a team on his back with his crazy good accuracy and speed. Soccer is almost the one sport combining great individual skill like in golf and tennis yet with teammates. On a whole different discussion, one could also argue that gambling interests have now made the game closer to a WWE product. So those said same bloated salaries for a now tainted game take away from the game, the same way we're now witnessing the slow but now accelerated demise of college football with the runaway unregulated NIL system. Yes gambling is in there too. We're witnessing players not getting developed or not getting better by hopping in the portal for a better payday. Are those players that jumped in to Colorado NIL any better off today than players coming out of Bama or GA? We'll see this year, IMHO, the first wave of NIL era players in the NFL fail flat on their face, all for having got paid with NIL in college. Good for them to have gotten that NIL deal, but they better not spend/waste it. |
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05-13-2024, 06:34 PM | #512 |
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As a capitalist I believe in supply and demand. Rarely is supply and demand as straightforward as with NFL ticket prices. You can watch supply and demand live on TV all season. If there are lots of empty seats, supply exceeds demand at the present price and the price must fall to increase demand to meet supply. If all the stadiums are full and fans are tailgating outside the stadium hoping to get an extra ticket and tickets are selling above market price on stubhub, demand exceeds supply and ticket prices are likely to rise. Supply and demand sets the prices, capital and labor share the profits, all of this is very simple and exactly how its supposed to work and if you don't like, it you don't like free markets. If you want ticket prices to go down either we need like 40 teams playing 25 game seasons in 150,000 seat stadiums to increase supply, or you need people to stop wanting to attend live games, which perhaps could happen through the next generation that prefers to experience life through their phones. If there was a severe lack of interest in attending games, tickets might before free, just to fill seats that the TV audience likes to see full in the background, like a taping of a game show. If nobody wanted to attend even for free, people could be paid to attend, like a struggling politicians televised rally. But right now there is immense demand to attend live NFL games, and that results in increasing prices, because that is how a free market.
As to individual players being overpaid in terms of their teams share of the salary cap, that just reflects uncertainty and imperfect decision making in the context of a free market. Oil companies drill some wells that make enough oil to pay for 5 wells, and others that make no oil at all, because of uncertainty and imperfect decision making. Hollywood studios make some movies that have giant profits and others that lose money. Some very expensive horses with impressive pedigrees never win a race. Football is a similar business. The Saints overpaid for Peat in the draft based on his ability to play Left Tackle that increased the cost to draft him, then converted him to Right Tackle that increased the risk of his being a bust, then converted him to Left Guard where he had mixed results, then bet on a big contract that those mixed results were growing pains and they were brilliant to realized that this Left Tackle turned Right Tackle turned Left Guard was about to become a great Left Guard when he strung together a few good games, and shockingly through uncertainty and imperfect decision making that did not come to pass. Meanwhile some other players were bargains for the Saints and for other teams. |
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Totally agree. In other words, obsessing over what individual players get paid is a waste of time and energy. Searching for perceived inequities will always be easily found.
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Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion
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How many more offensive linemen do we need to find? OFFENSE
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