MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE

Sinner · 02-14-2024, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m trying my best to be optimistic. I like the Kubiak hire. I just need to see more.

Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb.

rezburna · 02-14-2024, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb.

I’m with ya. We stuck now though.

K Major · 02-15-2024, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb.

Same.
63-79 as a starter in Oakland/LV.

9-8 in New Orleans.

10 years in, I think it's safe to say his body of work is mediocre at best.

leilung · 02-15-2024, 05:00 AM

I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.)
The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same.

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2024, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.)
The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same.

Injuries to the offensive line have the same effect on all teams. Those that are the most successful are almost always the healthiest. Most teams can overcome the loss of one lineman, but two, three, or even four you can write 'em off.

K Major · 02-15-2024, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.)
The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same.

+1.

What's even more frustrating is that the 2023 Saints were relatively healthy the majority of the season. Injuries are part of this brutal sport.

Find better depth (see Niners, Dallas, Detroit, Rams) because a starter will go down. I'd move on from players (depth pieces) like Baun, Garcia & James Hurst.

Hopefully Klint has a solid plan on offense in 2024.

Rugby Saint II · 02-15-2024, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1.

What's even more frustrating is that the 2023 Saints were relatively healthy the majority of the season. Injuries are part of this brutal sport.

Find better depth (see Niners, Dallas, Detroit, Rams) because a starter will go down. I'd move on from players (depth pieces) like Baun, Garcia & James Hurst.

Hopefully Klint has a solid plan on offense in 2024.

We definitely need better depth on the O line because our third stringer will be a starter at some point. Move on from Hurst. He was adequate a few years back but he's a weak link now and we can do better.

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2024, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We definitely need better depth on the O line because our third stringer will be a starter at some point. Move on from Hurst. He was adequate a few years back but he's a weak link now and we can do better.

That, my friend, is easier said than done. More than half the teams in the league would love to have a Hurst on their roster.

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2024, 03:18 PM

Some would argue that the 49er's took a deadly hit via injury to Greenlaw in the Super Bowl. They didn't have the depth to replace him. I believe they were up by 10 when he went down.

BakoSaint · 02-15-2024, 05:10 PM

Sometimes when you trade 5 draft picks to move up for 1 pick, you end up with worse depth. And when you whiff on that 1 pick, you end up with even less. See Trevor Penning. See Marcus Davenport. A lot of people remarked on how amazing it was that the 49ers were able to overcome whiffing on Trey Lance. But man if they hadn't that's where you get better backups for their players who were hurt like Greenlaw and also the snaps Deebo and Kittle missed.

02-14-2024, 06:42 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by rezburna I’m trying my best to be optimistic. I like the Kubiak hire. I just need to see more. Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb. K Major and rezburna like this.
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02-14-2024, 09:38 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by Sinner Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb. I’m with ya. We stuck now though. Sinner and K Major like this.

02-15-2024, 11:28 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by Sinner Y’all must know by now that I’m not digging Carr… at all. The Raiders knew what they were kicking to the curb. We dat curb. Same. 63-79 as a starter in Oakland/LV. 9-8 in New Orleans. 10 years in, I think it's safe to say his body of work is mediocre at best. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

02-15-2024, 05:00 AM	#4
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,428	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.) The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same. Rugby Saint II, Sinner and K Major like this.
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02-15-2024, 07:40 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,671	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by leilung I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.) The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same. Injuries to the offensive line have the same effect on all teams. Those that are the most successful are almost always the healthiest. Most teams can overcome the loss of one lineman, but two, three, or even four you can write 'em off.

02-15-2024, 10:58 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by leilung I can understand how some will point at injuries as the prime culprit in underperformance, but every team in the league gets bit by the injury bug and still finds ways to overcome the adversity and win! (Especially against weak teams!) If our injuries are substantially more than other teams, then don't you think the team needs to carefully analyze the types of injuries that are occurring and look at how they're preparing? (I'm looking at the position and conditioning coaches here.) The excuse/reason of 'well, there were injuries', however true, rings hollow after several seasons of the same. +1. What's even more frustrating is that the 2023 Saints were relatively healthy the majority of the season. Injuries are part of this brutal sport. Find better depth (see Niners, Dallas, Detroit, Rams) because a starter will go down. I'd move on from players (depth pieces) like Baun, Garcia & James Hurst. Hopefully Klint has a solid plan on offense in 2024. leilung, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

02-15-2024, 01:51 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,166	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by K Major +1. What's even more frustrating is that the 2023 Saints were relatively healthy the majority of the season. Injuries are part of this brutal sport. Find better depth (see Niners, Dallas, Detroit, Rams) because a starter will go down. I'd move on from players (depth pieces) like Baun, Garcia & James Hurst. Hopefully Klint has a solid plan on offense in 2024. We definitely need better depth on the O line because our third stringer will be a starter at some point. Move on from Hurst. He was adequate a few years back but he's a weak link now and we can do better.

02-15-2024, 03:15 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,671	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We definitely need better depth on the O line because our third stringer will be a starter at some point. Move on from Hurst. He was adequate a few years back but he's a weak link now and we can do better. That, my friend, is easier said than done. More than half the teams in the league would love to have a Hurst on their roster.

02-15-2024, 03:18 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,671	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Some would argue that the 49er's took a deadly hit via injury to Greenlaw in the Super Bowl. They didn't have the depth to replace him. I believe they were up by 10 when he went down.

02-15-2024, 05:10 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: MORE MUSINGS FROM THE NEGATIVE Sometimes when you trade 5 draft picks to move up for 1 pick, you end up with worse depth. And when you whiff on that 1 pick, you end up with even less. See Trevor Penning. See Marcus Davenport. A lot of people remarked on how amazing it was that the 49ers were able to overcome whiffing on Trey Lance. But man if they hadn't that's where you get better backups for their players who were hurt like Greenlaw and also the snaps Deebo and Kittle missed.
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