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B_Dub_Saint 02-14-2024 09:17 AM

Saints picks in 2024
 
New Orleans Saints Draft Picks By Round

-Round 1
-Round 2 (via DEN)
-Round 5
-Round 6
-Round 7 (via DEN)

Looks pretty thin when you get this visual. We will have to strike gold on these picks considering they stay as they are.

K Major 02-14-2024 09:31 AM

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That high second round pick (I still think former 2nd rd Alontae T will become a quality starter) from Sean is nice to have.

Hopefully it's a quality STARTER.

But as you stated, Saints must hit on these draft picks.

SmashMouth 02-14-2024 09:40 AM

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Thought we had like three 5th rounders or something.

iceshack149 02-14-2024 09:51 AM

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I think this is accurate.
Over The Cap finalizes comp pick projections, with good news for Saints
  • Round 1, Pick 14.
  • Round 2, Pick 45 (via Denver Broncos)
  • Round 5, Pick 148.
  • Round 5, Pick 167 (compensatory)
  • Round 5, Pick 168 (compensatory)
  • Round 5, Pick 172 (compensatory)
  • Round 6, Pick 191.
  • Round 6, Pick 200 (via Philadelphia Eagles)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5&opi=89978449

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 993102)
Thought we had like three 5th rounders or something.

We do. Spotrac has us with these nine.

 
Round Pick Team
1 14 NO
2 45 NO from DEN
5 148 NO
5 166 (Comp) NO
5 168 (Comp) NO
5 173 (Comp) NO
6 191 NO
6 200 NO from PHI
7 229 NO from DEN

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 09:58 AM

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We have plenty of ammo to move up into rounds three and four.

K Major 02-14-2024 09:58 AM

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Here me out! ....

Trade pick #14 for a late 1st round, 2nd, 3rd rd pick.

There are quality starters out there @ G, DE, & tackle.

But yeah I know, the Mickster never trades down.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 10:07 AM

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Regardless of where we pick one we have to face the fact that we're not likely to get a day one starter at any offensive line position. That's a thing of the past these days across the whole league. But, you still need to draft them in hopes that they can be developed.

B_Dub_Saint 02-14-2024 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993106)
We do. Spotrac has us with these nine.

 
Round Pick Team
1 14 NO
2 45 NO from DEN
5 148 NO
5 166 (Comp) NO
5 168 (Comp) NO
5 173 (Comp) NO
6 191 NO
6 200 NO from PHI
7 229 NO from DEN

Well my bad gents. I thought what I posted was up to date. Cast your stones at me. Tar & feathers all day :p

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 10:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 993105)
I think this is accurate.
Over The Cap finalizes comp pick projections, with good news for Saints
  • Round 1, Pick 14.
  • Round 2, Pick 45 (via Denver Broncos)
  • Round 5, Pick 148.
  • Round 5, Pick 167 (compensatory)
  • Round 5, Pick 168 (compensatory)
  • Round 5, Pick 172 (compensatory)
  • Round 6, Pick 191.
  • Round 6, Pick 200 (via Philadelphia Eagles)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5&opi=89978449

Just missing the 7th rounder from Denver. Spotrac projects the comp picks slightly different than Over The Cap, but close enough. Won't know for sure until later on those.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint (Post 993110)
Well my bad gents. I thought what I posted was up to date. Cast your stones at me. Tar & feathers all day :p

I checked and the article you posted corrected the list adding in the 7th rounder. ;)

Edit: Sorry, that was iceshack.

SmashMouth 02-14-2024 10:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 993108)
Here me out! ....

Trade pick #14 for a late 1st round, 2nd, 3rd rd pick.

There are quality starters out there @ G, DE, & tackle.

But yeah I know, the Mickster never trades down.

We should trade down most years, IMHO. Our trade ups have rarely been justifiable.

K Major 02-14-2024 10:30 AM

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Grammatical error on my post ... "hear"

Danno 02-14-2024 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 993113)
We should trade down most years, IMHO. Our trade ups have rarely been justifiable.

Its a deep draft for O-linemen.

I think we should use a high pick on a pass rusher if available, then 2nd-4th rounds for O-linemen and D-linemen and LB with speed.

K Major 02-14-2024 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 993113)
We should trade down most years, IMHO. Our trade ups have rarely been justifiable.

Agreed.

Remember back in that final season ending exit interview Loomis basically saying he likes their position but if they need to "move up" they will?

Trade back, acquire more talent. We need it.

Yeah, it's time to change the philosophy for the 2024 draft.

B_Dub_Saint 02-14-2024 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 993116)
Grammatical error on my post ... "hear"

Unacceptable!!!!!! I call for a 6 month ban for this atrocity. The grammar police are in full force. :)

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 12:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 993113)
We should trade down most years, IMHO. Our trade ups have rarely been justifiable.

It simply doesn't match their philosophy. Loomis has stated that they would rather go and get someone they specifically want over waiting to see who's there later. Let's just see how Ireland and his gang does this year. We all know Loomis isn't the one doing the player evaluations.

Sinner 02-14-2024 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993131)
It simply doesn't match their philosophy. Loomis has stated that they would rather go and get someone they specifically want over waiting to see who's there later. Let's just see how Ireland and his gang does this year. We all know Loomis isn't the one doing the player evaluations.

As GENERAL MANAGER, what is it that he manages, generally?

Rugby Saint II 02-14-2024 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint (Post 993129)
Unacceptable!!!!!! I call for a 6 month ban for this atrocity. The grammar police are in full force. :)

I here you.

Danno 02-14-2024 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993131)
It simply doesn't match their philosophy. Loomis has stated that they would rather go and get someone they specifically want over waiting to see who's there later. Let's just see how Ireland and his gang does this year. We all know Loomis isn't the one doing the player evaluations.

You're right, its Ireland's staff that ranks the college players. Loomis just pulls the trigger based on their board.

Parenton is the pro personnel director, I'd imagine he rates the NFL free agents

Loomis ain't at college games scouting players for us.:p


The staff...

Player Personnel

Jeff Ireland VP/Assistant General Manager - College Personnel
Michael Parenton Director of Pro Personnel
Ryan Powell Pro Scout
Justin Matthews Pro Scout
Tosan Eyetsemitan Pro Scout
Mike Baugh National Scout
Terry Wooden National Scout
Mike DiJulio Area Scout
Jon Sandusky Area Scout
Casey Talley Area Scout
Joey Vitt, Jr. Area Scout
Paul Zimmer Area Scout
C.J. Leak Area Scout
Matt Phillips Area Scout
Scott Campbell Senior College Scouting Analyst
Will Martinez Combine Scout
Ziad Qubti College Scouting Coordinator

BakoSaint 02-14-2024 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993109)
Regardless of where we pick one we have to face the fact that we're not likely to get a day one starter at any offensive line position. That's a thing of the past these days across the whole league. But, you still need to draft them in hopes that they can be developed.

But our entire 2nd string offensive line is likely to see significant playing time, so if we get an active backup that helps too. Also historically our top offensive line draft picks have contributed sooner than our top defensive line draft picks, who have often contributed never. I hope we draft oline.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2024 04:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993163)
But our entire 2nd string offensive line is likely to see significant playing time, so if we get an active backup that helps too. Also historically our top offensive line draft picks have contributed sooner than our top defensive line draft picks, who have often contributed never. I hope we draft oline.

"Historically" covers what span? Two, three, five, ten, twenty, fifty? More? Just wondering the parameters. Thanks in advance! :D

Sinner 02-14-2024 05:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993164)
"Historically" covers what span? Two, three, five, ten, twenty, fifty? More? Just wondering the parameters. Thanks in advance! :D

“Historically” covers the span of time you spend conversing with or about people you set to IGNORE”.

BakoSaint 02-14-2024 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993164)
"Historically" covers what span? Two, three, five, ten, twenty, fifty? More? Just wondering the parameters. Thanks in advance! :D

If I wanted to be specific I would have been. Everyone knows what I mean. With the way we whiffed on Foskey, Turner, and Davenport I would not worry too much about the possibility that an oline pick may not contribute immediately. At least some of our first round oline picks have been able to hold down a starting job the first year. When is the last time we drafted a dline who did that?

K Major 02-14-2024 08:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993174)
If I wanted to be specific I would have been. Everyone knows what I mean. With the way we whiffed on Foskey, Turner, and Davenport I would not worry too much about the possibility that an oline pick may not contribute immediately. At least some of our first round oline picks have been able to hold down a starting job the first year. When is the last time we drafted a dline who did that?

No need to explain brother. Ramz started in all 16 games as a rookie & so did Erik McCoy. When I continue to say QUALITY DAY 1 starter, these are some of the players I'm referring to.

Some see what they want to see. But you're spot on with the defense ... WTFoskey, Davenport, Payton Turner were misses.

Saints MUST hit on their draft selections in 2024, especially those FIRST two.

AsylumGuido 02-15-2024 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 993174)
If I wanted to be specific I would have been. Everyone knows what I mean. With the way we whiffed on Foskey, Turner, and Davenport I would not worry too much about the possibility that an oline pick may not contribute immediately. At least some of our first round oline picks have been able to hold down a starting job the first year. When is the last time we drafted a dline who did that?

I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good.

mapcow 02-15-2024 08:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993187)
I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good.

....if pigs could fly... :beatnik:

Rugby Saint II 02-15-2024 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993187)
I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good.

I might be wrong here but don't first and second round draft picks usually have high expectations? Should our picks develop sooner? Uhmmm......Yeah!!! :doh:

K Major 02-15-2024 01:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 993206)
I might be wrong here but don't first and second round draft picks usually have high expectations? Should our picks develop sooner? Uhmmm......Yeah!!! :doh:

+1.

Detroit 2023 draft picks - Jamar Gibbs, LaPorta, Brian Branch.

GB - Jayden Reed (see Saints game), Karl Brooks

Texans - CJ Stroud (ROTY), Will Anderson (DROY), Scruggs

Rams - Puka (5th rounder), Avila (started in all 17 games at guard)

^^ all rookies, all impact players coming out of camp.

I mention these teams because we took L's from every single one. You better start hitting on your draft picks, otherwise it's not going to be pretty.

B_Dub_Saint 02-15-2024 01:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 993210)
+1.

Detroit 2023 draft picks - Jamar Gibbs, LaPorta, Brian Branch.

GB - Jayden Reed (see Saints game), Karl Brooks

Texans - CJ Stroud (ROTY), Will Anderson (DROY), Scruggs

Rams - Puka (5th rounder), Avila (started in all 17 games at guard)

^^ all rookies, all impact players coming out of camp.

I mention these teams because we took L's from every single one. You better start hitting on your draft picks, otherwise it's not going to be pretty.

Straight fire K Major! :popcorn:

AsylumGuido 02-15-2024 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 993206)
I might be wrong here but don't first and second round draft picks usually have high expectations? Should our picks develop sooner? Uhmmm......Yeah!!! :doh:

It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

mapcow 02-15-2024 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993221)
It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

....it depends.... :rofl: :beatnik:

Rugby Saint II 02-16-2024 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993221)
It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future.:rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 02-16-2024 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 993255)
The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future.:rolleyes:

Yeah, Paul Anderson, the great line coach, has mentioned several times recently how ill-prepared the players are these days coming out of college.

darksoul35 02-17-2024 07:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 993187)
I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good.

Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy.

Danno 02-17-2024 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 993272)
Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy.

Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans.

K Major 02-17-2024 10:34 AM

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Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young).

IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024.

As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder.

The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts.

To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers.

Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help.

SmashMouth 02-17-2024 03:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 993275)
Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 993281)
Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young).

IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024.

As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder.

The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts.

To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers.

Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help.

Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly.

Rugby Saint II 02-17-2024 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 993288)
Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly.

I agree Smash. Sometimes it takes a little time to become NFL tough. T-Rex is a prime example. I'm definitely expecting Foskey to come out strong in camp and make a good push for the starting gig, or at the very least, he needs to be a heavy rotational player.

Who Knows? Peyton might become NFL tough too if can get his training regime right and stay on the field. I've got to admit that he is pretty darn good when he's on the field.

K Major 03-26-2024 09:40 AM

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Tackle

We need two of em. Ramz should most likely retire, Penning is still a HUGE question mark & Peat could sign elsewhere.

Saints have SERIOUS issues on the o line for sure.

Drafting O LINE is probably top priority.


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