The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas

leilung · 03-10-2024, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Would you have cashed the check if you were injured? If anyone here says they wouldn't then they're lying.

You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon!

I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could!

I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League.

To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win!

I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on...

BakoSaint · 03-10-2024, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon!

I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could!

I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League.

To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win!

I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on...

There is also the phrase "it takes one to know one." Just because Thomas may have more shortcomings as a contributor and as a declines talent does not mean he is wrong about the slightly different deficiencies of Carr (tough on injuries but lacks others aspects of an elite QB) and DA (not a leader / winner). All in all a player or coach who is unwilling to address any problems is even worse to me than one who is unwilling to address their own. So while I think it makes sense to move on from Carr, DA, and Thomas, as soon as we are able, Thomas would be third on my list if not for Carr's guaranteed salary.

mapcow · 03-10-2024, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon!

I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could!

I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League.

To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win!

I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on...

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Mr.Riaton · 03-10-2024, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon!

I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could!

I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League.

To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win!

I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on...

Fantastic post! Thank you for sharing!

I have a co-worker that believes MT might be over exaggerating his injuries to a degree mainly because he’s unhappy with the QB situation. I’m not sure if that’s possible to get away with in the NFL but you post makes me think….

BakoSaint · 03-10-2024, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Fantastic post! Thank you for sharing!

I have a co-worker that believes MT might be over exaggerating his injuries to a degree mainly because he’s unhappy with the QB situation. I’m not sure if that’s possible to get away with in the NFL but you post makes me think….

Probably he could play a little more if he was more motivated but I also think he is washed up and just a possession receiver now like a late career Keyshawn Johnson with less durability.

He recruited Carr, so not a very wise recruiter. Then he blame Carr for not making him look like Devante Adams, when he just ain’t on that level post injuries.

If you like the theory that Michael Thomas is still elite and just faking injuries I have another theory. Terrell Davis was perfectly capable of having a 15 year career. He just used injury as an excuse because he was upset John Elway retired. Either that way Michael Thomas is just TD without rings. Both were great for a few years at the start of their career, both played with HoF QBs, both got injured and washed when those QBs were done. In the end the easiest explanation is that they just got hurt and washed, but sure maybe they were faking and exaggerating and it was all about missing Brees and Elway.

AsylumGuido · 03-11-2024, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon!

I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could!

I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League.

To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win!

I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on...

Where did I ever say I was okay with getting paid for not working when a person is fully capable of working? Huh? I don't believe I have ever said that. But I do fully believe in contract law and if a person is physically unable to work and their contract states that they are to receive compensation while nonetheless unable to work then, yes, by all means I have no issue with that at all. Especially when they are working through a recovery from a work related injury.

The injuries that Thomas suffered were debilitating. First an ankle that ultimately required surgery including hardware. His body rejected the hardware and a second surgery was required. That is nothing that any player could play through. When he finally returned and balled out he suffered the toe injury. Some idiots claim, "Geez, it's only a toe. He should be playing." It was reportedly a complete dislocation which damaged ligaments and tendons and required yet another surgery which, in turn, required yet another extended recovery. At no point was Thomas ever sitting out collecting a check when he was able to play. In fact, there were performance based incentives that he obviously wasn't receiving.

mapcow · 03-11-2024, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Where did I ever say I was okay with getting paid for not working when a person is fully capable of working? Huh? I don't believe I have ever said that. But I do fully believe in contract law and if a person is physically unable to work and their contract states that they are to receive compensation while nonetheless unable to work then, yes, by all means I have no issue with that at all. Especially when they are working through a recovery from a work related injury.

The injuries that Thomas suffered were debilitating. First an ankle that ultimately required surgery including hardware. His body rejected the hardware and a second surgery was required. That is nothing that any player could play through. When he finally returned and balled out he suffered the toe injury. Some idiots claim, "Geez, it's only a toe. He should be playing." It was reportedly a complete dislocation which damaged ligaments and tendons and required yet another surgery which, in turn, required yet another extended recovery. At no point was Thomas ever sitting out collecting a check when he was able to play. In fact, there were performance based incentives that he obviously wasn't receiving.

Geez...it was only his toe! He sure did look like he could play for a couple games. If it were that bad, I would imagine he could not put pressure on it at all.

03-10-2024, 12:20 PM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Would you have cashed the check if you were injured? If anyone here says they wouldn't then they're lying. You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon! I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could! I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League. To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win! I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on... iceshack149, turbo_dog, MatthewT and 3 others like this.
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03-10-2024, 02:34 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by leilung You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon! I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could! I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League. To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win! I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on... There is also the phrase "it takes one to know one." Just because Thomas may have more shortcomings as a contributor and as a declines talent does not mean he is wrong about the slightly different deficiencies of Carr (tough on injuries but lacks others aspects of an elite QB) and DA (not a leader / winner). All in all a player or coach who is unwilling to address any problems is even worse to me than one who is unwilling to address their own. So while I think it makes sense to move on from Carr, DA, and Thomas, as soon as we are able, Thomas would be third on my list if not for Carr's guaranteed salary.
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03-10-2024, 04:39 PM	#3
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by leilung You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon! I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could! I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League. To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win! I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on... Respectable! I concur, i passed on a raise and requested it be given to the technician supporting me. I KNEW his work was more detrimental to the daily tasks of IT within a huge LAN network at hand; I was the IT System Administrator.
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03-10-2024, 06:58 PM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by leilung You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon! I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could! I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League. To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win! I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on... Fantastic post! Thank you for sharing! I have a co-worker that believes MT might be over exaggerating his injuries to a degree mainly because he’s unhappy with the QB situation. I’m not sure if that’s possible to get away with in the NFL but you post makes me think….

03-10-2024, 10:52 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Fantastic post! Thank you for sharing! I have a co-worker that believes MT might be over exaggerating his injuries to a degree mainly because he’s unhappy with the QB situation. I’m not sure if that’s possible to get away with in the NFL but you post makes me think…. Probably he could play a little more if he was more motivated but I also think he is washed up and just a possession receiver now like a late career Keyshawn Johnson with less durability. He recruited Carr, so not a very wise recruiter. Then he blame Carr for not making him look like Devante Adams, when he just ain’t on that level post injuries. If you like the theory that Michael Thomas is still elite and just faking injuries I have another theory. Terrell Davis was perfectly capable of having a 15 year career. He just used injury as an excuse because he was upset John Elway retired. Either that way Michael Thomas is just TD without rings. Both were great for a few years at the start of their career, both played with HoF QBs, both got injured and washed when those QBs were done. In the end the easiest explanation is that they just got hurt and washed, but sure maybe they were faking and exaggerating and it was all about missing Brees and Elway.
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03-11-2024, 08:09 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by leilung You sound like you're OK with the "if I can get paid for not working, why not". In the old school military, we called that being a Blue Falcon! I once had an excellent career with an awesome benefits package. One of the benefits was 'unlimited paid sick leave'. Most of my colleagues recognized how blessed we were to have that safety net and used it sparingly. But then there were always those few co-workers who had the attitude that they would work that benefit like a $10 Hoe! These guys would 'sick out' for any malady (real or imagined) more than everyone else in our unit COMBINED. As a result, the rest of the Squad worked harder to make up for the slack of someone who was just collecting a check on Easy St., just because he could! I've been told that players in the NFL, are always playing with a certain degree of pain. Some are more frail than others I guess. Work ethic matters. So does availability. Some will bang out with a hang nail. Some will soldier through because they know the team needs them. By my math, 20 games played, out of a possible 67 over the last 4 years is sub .300 balling. Sorry availability for a WR in the NFL! If he's that frail, then perhaps he should try his hand in Drew's Pickleball League. To be clear, I have been a HUGE MT fan since his rookie year and still feel like he has some of the best hands in the league. But his singular lack of presence (with the exception of his Twitter feed) is a disservice to the team and a roster spot best used on a healthy WR that will help this team win! I wish him luck with whomever (Denver?) picks him up. He's just not a reliable asset for the Saints. Moving on... Where did I ever say I was okay with getting paid for not working when a person is fully capable of working? Huh? I don't believe I have ever said that. But I do fully believe in contract law and if a person is physically unable to work and their contract states that they are to receive compensation while nonetheless unable to work then, yes, by all means I have no issue with that at all. Especially when they are working through a recovery from a work related injury. The injuries that Thomas suffered were debilitating. First an ankle that ultimately required surgery including hardware. His body rejected the hardware and a second surgery was required. That is nothing that any player could play through. When he finally returned and balled out he suffered the toe injury. Some idiots claim, "Geez, it's only a toe. He should be playing." It was reportedly a complete dislocation which damaged ligaments and tendons and required yet another surgery which, in turn, required yet another extended recovery. At no point was Thomas ever sitting out collecting a check when he was able to play. In fact, there were performance based incentives that he obviously wasn't receiving.
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03-11-2024, 10:17 AM	#7
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: The Saints are parting ways with Michael Thomas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Where did I ever say I was okay with getting paid for not working when a person is fully capable of working? Huh? I don't believe I have ever said that. But I do fully believe in contract law and if a person is physically unable to work and their contract states that they are to receive compensation while nonetheless unable to work then, yes, by all means I have no issue with that at all. Especially when they are working through a recovery from a work related injury. The injuries that Thomas suffered were debilitating. First an ankle that ultimately required surgery including hardware. His body rejected the hardware and a second surgery was required. That is nothing that any player could play through. When he finally returned and balled out he suffered the toe injury. Some idiots claim, "Geez, it's only a toe. He should be playing." It was reportedly a complete dislocation which damaged ligaments and tendons and required yet another surgery which, in turn, required yet another extended recovery. At no point was Thomas ever sitting out collecting a check when he was able to play. In fact, there were performance based incentives that he obviously wasn't receiving. Geez...it was only his toe! He sure did look like he could play for a couple games. If it were that bad, I would imagine he could not put pressure on it at all.
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