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Well it’s official, the Saints now have the 3rd best quarterback in the division. 4th best if we count Taysom as a quarterback. Lol

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I'll take Carr over Mayfield especially with the Kubiak offensive scheme. And there's no guarantees with Cousins coming off that torn Achilles.

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Cousins to the Failclowns. We have some serious work to do!

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The Falcons aren't going to suck forever.

ATL now have the best QB in the NFC South.

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I admire your optimism on Carr but we have seen his game for too many years now and he has reached his peak and has nowhere to go but down from here. However I do have full faith in Kubiak. I was a big fan of his dad’s system so hopefully he can make it work. Which leads to my next question:
If Nix is available at 14 do the Saints take him?

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Next year's QB crop looks a bit light, but we have so many other more immediate needs (OL) that taking a flyer on yet another QB may be a wasted opportunity...

That plus I'm not entirely confident in our current coaching to bring a rookie in and groom him properly to be a starter.

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I think the Falcons found their new Matt Ryan. I believe he will most likely improve their team and is better than Carr but won't deliver them a ring. If this pushes the Saints from 8-9 wins to 6-7 wins maybe that gets us closer to the changes that need to happen from the top.

The worst case scenario for us with the Falcons was if they stood pat in the draft and a player like Maye or Daniels fell to them due to unexpected draft developments or they took a shot and struck gold on McCarthy, and somehow ended up finding a young franchise QB cheap for years. This rules out the Falcons best case scenario. However I think it makes them more competitive than mortgaging the future to trade up which rarely works, or going with a recycled lesser QB in Wilson, Fields, Jones, etc. If the Falcons had found the next Mahomes or Rodgers or Allen that would be very bad for us. I am ok with them finding the next aging Matt Ryan or Kurt Warner or Eli Manning type, especially since they have a mediocre coach. It's not the end of the world to me if the Falcons make the playoffs and go lose to the 49ers, Eagles, Lions, etc there.

I am not super afraid of Mayfield or Cousins, but I wouldn't be super afraid of Carr either, and of the 3 I think Cousins is the best QB and Tampa has the best coach, and none are great. I think Sean Payton with Jameis Winston could win this division.

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The sloppy south....

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Sloppy Seconds is what you meant?:bugeyes:

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Where is Billy Joe Toliver when you need him?

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He's at a Billy Joe convention somewhere watching and waiting for the call from his agent.

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I heard Atlanta built a few extra Kohl's locations to get him!

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Shake and Bake Mayfield, Kurt Cousins twice a year ...

Hurts, Highland Park, Dak, J Love, Hebert & Mahomes :( all legit QB's on tap in 2024.

Saints better get that dline and pass rush together.

CB's can't cover forever.

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We got Billy Joe Carr... haha

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Don't see why. While you may be down on Carr the team has clearly gone all in on him. He's not going anywhere for the near future. I believe when they signed him they were counting on the minimum four year deal. They added an additional void year this offseason.

As for seeing his game for years, that's why I like him. He's consistently put up great numbers and if he wasn't straddled with a historically bad string of defenses he would have been in the playoffs on an annual basis.

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Knowing Toliver he's collecting money from some sucker on the golf course. I got to meet and talk with him several times when he was QB for the Shreveport Pirates of the CFL. Really nice guy.

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See… that right there^^^is what happens when you drop too many Xanax into your shroom cereal first thing in the morning. “Besmirched” Saints forum be damned, and at the risk of being set to IGNORE indefinitely, it has to be said.

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But yet he came to a team with a good defense in the suckiest division in the nfl and still couldn’t get us in the playoffs.
Oh yea, that’s true…it’s Carmichaels fault. Got it

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Nix isn’t good. Penix would be the better option in the draft.

Cousins
Mayfield
Carr
Young

In that order.

I think Young might ascend this year and push Carr or Mayfield down to last.

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I hope you’re right Guido, I don’t have a problem being wrong but I just don’t see it with Carr. But I’m with Rez on Pennix. I think he’s gonna be a difference maker if he can stay healthy. However, I like Nix as well. Has started a lot of games and against some great competition over the last 4-5 years. I think he is as seasoned as anyone and I would be shocked to see him get passed Payton in Denver. If either one is there at 14 I grab them immediately. If not you gotta give Haener all the reps in preseason to see if he’s the guy.

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It AINT Carr.

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What if Klint Kubiak works his magic with Carr and the offense, how is that list changed?

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If Kubiak can get very best version of Carr and the Falcons get the very best version of Cousins I’d say Carr is just a step behind Cousins.

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The Saints are all in on Carr. He’s their guy :rolleyes:.

No QB will be selected in the 2024 draft for New Orleans.

And that sucks.

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I believe the Saints decision to stick with Carr for the long term was made when they initially signed him whether any fans like that or not. I think their move to restructure this offseason only reinforces that decision. I can see them drafting another QB somewhere in the draft, not as competition for Carr, but as competition for Haener at backup.

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Speaking of Cousins, he does still have to pass his physical to make the deal official tomorrow.

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On the "for what it's worth" front ...

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Is it optimistic or pessimistic to point out that the Saints are ‘all in’ on a QB that doesn’t rank in the top 1/3rd of NFL QBs?

It feels like that 2am, last call, sort of ‘all in’.

Drew ranked in the top 3 with crappy defenses.

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For me, it's a bit pessimistic.

I'm just kinda tired of hearing analysts & sports experts point out that "it takes time to get acclimated to the offense".

This is year 10 for Carr who often struggled (even when the o line held up) & then I see a rookie of the year (CJ Stroud) ball out of control or a 2 year starter (Jordan Love) throw for over 4k but more importantly lead his team to a playoff win in 2023 :rolleyes:.

Carr just strikes me as a guy who doesn't want to accept blame when things go bad, like "it's not my fault".

He still locks in on WRs & is quick to dump it off. All I see is a high end game manager.

The new OC will help but I'm just not sold on Carr (prove me wrong) leading us back to where we want to be. He's just not that dude.

As for Brees ... he was just a different cat :bng:.

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It is what it is. The only time in Carr's career when he didn't rank in the top 3rd was when Pete Carmichael was his play designer and caller.

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Is it Drew is coming back. As a Lefty.

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He jumped off the Danny Wuerffel bridge!!

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I think you misspelled Tallahatchie.....

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Drew certainly was a different cat. As far as analysts go, I often get the feeling someone said "we need a 1/2 hour of words to embed advertising in, lets find a clueless f*** that the rest of the clueless f***s are willing to tune in to" and a show was born. Is there any good reason for college and professional football to last an hour longer than high school other than advertising dollars? Cutting the quarters to 12 minutes might possibly be the best step in avoiding injury and extending careers. And I digress....

Back to the OP. "All in on Carr" feels like signing a $25M 7 year note on a minivan. It has some utility but no performance.