Pointing out injuries matter is a reality.

Get your pointing finger tuned up. Gonna be a doozy.

So I will respectfully give you an example of how your negativity has clouded your objectivity IMO, Sinner. You say I should go ahead and keep shaking my pom poms or whatever for Dennis Allen. I am pretty darn sure that if you go through my post history you will find ZERO evidence of me saying I think Allen is the man for the job or that I want him as coach. I can make this statement because I'm not convinced he is the man for the job. So, right off the bat you have falsely lumped me into the same 100 percent positive, ask-no-questions group of fans that Guido represents. In a recent post in a different thread I got on him about not being able to see the flaws in the team and the reasons for doubt. So, why would you lump us together?

The answer, I think, is because I won't jump on the "Saints suck, there is no hope, let's just moan and stop purchasing gear and watching games until they are good again" bandwagon that you are happy to drive. I can't understand why it seems to bother you when people don't share that view.

As for DA, I will admit that I was willing to look past his tenure at Oakland because living there for 27 years showed me how dysfunctional that org was. While here he's made mistakes, but so did Payton over the years here (and NO I'm not saying DA is as good as Payton). He improved his win total by 2 between his first and second seasons. If he can do that again he gets to 11 wins and a playoff spot. If not, then he's gone and he will be another one of the Saints failed coached like Ditka.

That's just the way it is. I'll root for him and the team to do well not because he's my choice but because he's the coach and I want to see the team win. Pointing out things like Carr getting his back broken in week 3 last season when they were 2-0 and up 17-0 against the packers are relevant facts. It is not blind support or excuses for DA...he didn't do a good enough coaching job to overcome that issue. But few NFL teams are successful when their starter goes down. That too is a fact.

If you want to root against DA just so you can be right you sure don't need mine or anyone's permission. You do you. But You asked for help in understanding. That's all I'm trying to do.

Thank you for a civil and rational explanation of your personal perspective. It explains a common psychology among many fans, who will faithfully cheer for whatever pile of sh*t that is being offered, year after year. I totally understand that it makes y’all feel good to show continued support for this mismanagement, and the excuses y’all make to give a multi-million dollar (dis)organization a continual pass, for providing a sub-standard, mediocre, if not shameful product at best. That’s what y’all enjoy. Some of us feel that by actively voicing our displeasure, and voting with our wallets, it sends a message to the organization. We may be as deluded as you, but our motivation is to see our team WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. When Dennis says “Just keep doing what you’re doing”, or Mickey says “We have all the right people in the building”, or Quido says, “Winning is not the goal”, it can get insulting. Y’all cannot keep blaming our failure on injuries, perpetual “rebuild”, giving Dennis or Derek or Kubiak or whoever time to adjust, and not expect some of us to call BULLSH*T. Fans saw this coming well in advance, when Drew was in decline, and Sean Payton was packing his bags… and y’all said the sky was not falling. The Sky fell. Don’t blame loyal long time fans for wanting to see it rise again. Like two seasons ago. This sh*t is getting old. As are we.

Again with the "ya'll" and pitting one side against the other. It's inaccurate and frankly dishonest. I just said in my previous post that Allen didn't do a good enough job. But are you honestly going to try and put forth the idea that injuries DO NOT impact a football team? That is a simple yes or no question.