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Old 05-23-2024, 04:55 PM   #51
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Re: Saints 2024 Projected Win Total 7.5

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
Chew on an article talking about how politicians and Business people are arguing about millions/billions of dollars? I fail to see how that impacts whether or not I should be pulling for the team to do well or whether or not their offensive line will be better or if Carr can make improvements with a new OC. Is your (and sinner’s) goal to get everyone to say the team sucks, there is no hope, and we should all stop supporting the team?
Boston… You and I started chatting two seasons ago, when you were defending Dennis Allen and blaming our problems on “mistakes” that you claimed had nothing to do with our sad excuse for a HEAD COACH. That was two seasons ago. You probably forgot. Sinner’s goal is to watch his Saints make it to the Super Bowl and WIN (imagine that) before Sinner dies… NOT to sit back in a semi-coma with rose colored glasses on for yet another season, possibly many more… You want me to lie and say I’m excited about the next few seasons? AINT gonna do it. You can scroll on and shake your pom poms with Quido, or set me to IGNORE, and hopefully your IGNORE function isn’t as impaired as Quido’s, or our front office.
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Old 05-23-2024, 05:01 PM   #52
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Re: Saints 2024 Projected Win Total 7.5

Originally Posted by mapcow View Post
7.5 wins...??? a half of a win, is a loss..... LMAO

He always admits he is the opposite of the dreamer.... he is a realist.

Cuz he wants a WINNING team, not a mediocre team as such the Saints are currently, at best. The WINNING Saints, went from heavy contender to bottom of the barrel. Soon the Saints will not even reside in New Orleans. Gov Landry will not supplement the difference for a new stadium nor for any improvement of a structure that is in decline.....ironically, like the team
See… we’re supposed to be in denial, or so heavily sedated, or maybe masochistic, or a combination of all of that, in order to sit through this yawn-worthy or cringe-worthy nonsense like “Just keep doing what you’re doing”, or “We have all the right people in the building”, or “Winning championships is not the goal”, followed by “woulda, coulda, shoulda” after not getting into the playoffs due to mathematical impossibilities at the end of each season… nah.
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Old 05-23-2024, 05:21 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint View Post
I am willing to watch a rebuild if it is done right. I don't know how rebuild became a dirty word. It's a false premise that we have been 'stuck' in a rebuild and it isn't working. We have been stuck in the opposite of a rebuild since before Brees retired, going all in, maxing out future salary caps more than any other team, trading future draft picks and trading up to win now. Only in this 2023 offseason did we slowly begin to detatch the first brick from the pile on the bad pedal and possibly start looking to order the bolts to reattach the brake pedals.

We are ~$85 million over the 2025 salary cap already in 2024, the most in the entire nfl by just over double with the Browns ~$42 million over. That is a lot of things, but it is not a rebuild. It is more like a financial crisis. Will the imaginary analyst who says we can't get under the 2025 salary cap be wrong? Yes. But, will we have to make some dubious contract restructures with struggling, injured, and aging players? Yes. But finally this offseason we did not restructure more than the 75% or so of key vets we had to restructure. So, that means in the 2025 offseason we can cut or trade players we didn't just restructure, and actually reduce not increase our cap with releases. We could see players go like Kamara ($19 million cap savings), Lattimore ($11 million cap savings), Hill ($5 million cap savings), Ram ($6 million cap savings). If two are designated Post-June-1 cuts the savings may be even greater.

We are not yet in a rebuild. We are in the first year of a sort of pre-re-build slowing of insanity hopefully. If we continue on this route, we could be in a rebuild next year. We could lead the NFL in dead cap in 2025 but also potentially set sort of record for the biggest improvement in future cap deficit ever in a two year period if we continue to make cuts to bad contracts with aging players.

I am not against rebuilds, because rebuilds work. The Bucs could not have won a ring with Brady if they didn't come in with a monster stockpile of salary cap space to sign Brady, Gronk, and a supporting cast. The Rams could not have stockpiled the talent for their ring if they did not start way under the cap. The Lions would not have the talent they do if they did not lose before they one. We are in cyclic league and if you try to buy your way out of ever having a losing season, you will get stuck at 9-8 or 8-9 until your stars get grey hairs on their 5th restructure and then you will lose anyway.

The only way to win without a rebuild in this league is to have a generational QB like Brady or Maholmes, a generational coach like Belichick or Reid, and having both of those to be incredibly disciplined and trade away or let walk very talented players like Tyreek Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, Chandler Jones, Ty Law, etc so that you never get in salary cap debt and can constantly surround your star QB and coach with a good but perhaps not great supporting cost and let them carry the weight without getting in the kind of cap and draft pick debt that create long term problems. The Saints briefly tried this model at least in terms of trading expensive non-qb stars in the era where we traded players like Jimmy Graham and Brandin Cooks but Sean Payton was not quite on Belichick or Reid's level, could not quite hang in the biggest games, and could not do as well to bring in the right people to maintain minimum standards on the opposite side of the ball from his expertise. Therefore we abandoned this model, went all in to win now in Brees later years, came up short, and now need to rebuild.

So we’re looking at entering our “rebuild” phase within the next couple of years? Cool. Yayyyyy!
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Old 05-23-2024, 05:22 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by K Major View Post
Detilier makes his prediction ... 8-9. Below average.

If the Saints miss the post season (again), it's probably time to hire a new Head coach.
I get the feeling that DA is on a short leash and if this team under performs (sub .500) then he's history. I'm cautiously optimistic with the changes in coaching and the fresh blood thru FA and the draft.
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Old 05-23-2024, 05:31 PM   #55
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I get the feeling that DA is on a short leash and if this team under performs (sub .500) then he's history. I'm cautiously optimistic with the changes in coaching and the fresh blood thru FA and the draft.
You do realize that we are officially in a position (yet again) to either hope for a sub .500 season, to possibly let this short leash go, or a .500 season, to keep him around for yet another season after this one? Help me see the joy in any of that without prescribing the dosage that lights up Quido’s panties every Sunday.
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Old 05-23-2024, 06:29 PM   #56
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Boston… You and I started chatting two seasons ago, when you were defending Dennis Allen and blaming our problems on “mistakes” that you claimed had nothing to do with our sad excuse for a HEAD COACH. That was two seasons ago. You probably forgot. Sinner’s goal is to watch his Saints make it to the Super Bowl and WIN (imagine that) before Sinner dies… NOT to sit back in a semi-coma with rose colored glasses on for yet another season, possibly many more… You want me to lie and say I’m excited about the next few seasons? AINT gonna do it. You can scroll on and shake your pom poms with Quido, or set me to IGNORE, and hopefully your IGNORE function isn’t as impaired as Quido’s, or our front office.
Pointing out injuries matter is a reality.
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Old 05-23-2024, 06:34 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
Pointing out injuries matter is a reality.
Obviously the sinner guy doesn't understand how the ignore function works. Is there any way you can reply to it without quoting his crap please, Boston? Not blaming you at all, but it's sickening just having to see even one of 50 show up as part of a reply post.
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Old 05-23-2024, 06:44 PM   #58
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Obviously the sinner guy doesn't understand how the ignore function works. Is there any way you can reply to it without quoting his crap please, Boston? Not blaming you at all, but it's sickening just having to see even one of 50 show up as part of a reply post.
If I had a dime for every time you have mentioned “that sinner guy” since you set him to IGNORE, I’d be able to buy our sorry @$$ team from divine lady Benson and our a winng package together in one season.
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Old 05-23-2024, 06:44 PM   #59
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Pointing out injuries matter is a reality.
Get your pointing finger tuned up. Gonna be a doozy.
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Old 05-23-2024, 06:47 PM   #60
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Obviously the sinner guy doesn't understand how the ignore function works. Is there any way you can reply to it without quoting his crap please, Boston? Not blaming you at all, but it's sickening just having to see even one of 50 show up as part of a reply post.
Your panties… two sizes tighter than when Dennis Allen first got the gig.
Take it easy.
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