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Sinner 06-05-2024 09:37 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996761)
I know that is what you want. And when did your name become Map?

What I want is for my team to win a championship before I die. It’s been a long, long, journey since 2010. And no matter how Rosie y’all’s glasses are, it ain’t looking like we’re even close right now. I didn’t think my name had to be “Map” to enter into a conversation about the facts of the matter.

AsylumGuido 06-05-2024 10:51 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996764)
Some “fans” don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Let's not confuse the cow pile with being any sort of fan, Boston. ;)

Boston Saint 06-05-2024 11:48 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996765)
What I want is for my team to win a championship before I die. It’s been a long, long, journey since 2010. And no matter how Rosie y’all’s glasses are, it ain’t looking like we’re even close right now. I didn’t think my name had to be “Map” to enter into a conversation about the facts of the matter.

You’re like the guy who beats his wife win dinner isn’t ready on time and turns around and says he loves her.

WW_Who_Dat 06-05-2024 12:08 PM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996764)
Some “fans” don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Statements of opinions founded on feelings, emotion and Pre determination seldom reflect the real facts of the issue at hand.

Sinner 06-05-2024 12:08 PM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996776)
You’re like the guy who beats his wife win dinner isn’t ready on time and turns around and says he loves her.

Can we NOT make this about me or my wife, or my dinner… and make it about THE SAINTS, for gods sake?

WW_Who_Dat 06-05-2024 12:27 PM

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The question is “What constitutes an Analogy”?

A process of arguing from similarity in known respects to similarity in other respects: argument from analogy

Boston Saint 06-05-2024 01:29 PM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996778)
Can we NOT make this about me or my wife, or my dinner… and make it about THE SAINTS, for gods sake?

It’s called a simile….

a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid.

Sinner 06-05-2024 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996780)
It’s called a simile….

a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid.

You made it emphatic and vivid. Yayyy!

Our Saints AINT that. ^^^

Sinner 06-05-2024 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 996779)
The question is “What constitutes an Analogy”?

A process of arguing from similarity in known respects to similarity in other respects: argument from analogy

There is no argument.

Boston Saint 06-05-2024 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996782)
You made it emphatic and vivid. Yayyy!

Just like you and your **** sandwich references.

AsylumGuido 06-05-2024 02:30 PM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996780)
It’s called a simile….

a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid.

"make it about THE SAINTS"

LOL! That's hilarious coming from individuals like the sinner guy who's constantly posting insults and name calling. At least in the majority of quoted posts that float to the surface.

:rolleyes:

Sinner 06-05-2024 02:37 PM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996785)
"make it about THE SAINTS"

LOL! That's hilarious coming from individuals like the sinner guy who's constantly posting insults and name calling. At least in the majority of quoted posts that float to the surface.

:rolleyes:

“the sinner guy”… Remember Quido. You have me set to IGNORE.

Sinner 06-05-2024 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996784)
Just like you and your **** sandwich references.

Sandwich? WTF are you even talking about now son?

mapcow 06-06-2024 08:44 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996759)
Saints are 63-36 under Gayle Benson’s tenure Map. How is that a losing team?

where have you been these last few seasons?

mapcow 06-06-2024 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996768)
Let's not confuse the cow pile with being any sort of fan, Boston. ;)

open wide...got another load fo ya. :beatnik:

mapcow 06-06-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 996763)
Not sure Saints history reflects this opinion;

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

38 seasons since 1967 thru 2005
Wins Losses Pct
225 322 .411%

Record prior to 2006 Season
27 Losing Seasons
6 8-8 Seasons
6 Winning Seasons

Just saying

These last few seasons certainly do not reflect that....just sayin :beatnik:

mapcow 06-06-2024 08:49 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996768)
Let's not confuse the cow pile with being any sort of fan, Boston. ;)

Been a fan since billy kilmer was throwing the nut for the losing Saints .... I just expect and demand winning. :beatnik:

Sinner 06-06-2024 09:37 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 996823)
Been a fan since billy kilmer was throwing the nut for the losing Saints .... I just expect and demand winning. :beatnik:

“Winning championships is not the goal” ~ Quido

iceshack149 06-06-2024 09:49 AM

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https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/hm...e7d6021fe58785
Let the fans that enjoy talking about the Saints on a Saints website get excited for the upcoming season. If all you do is cry and complain go to a bar and let the barman hear your pathetic whining.

Sinner 06-06-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 996829)
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/hm...e7d6021fe58785
Let the fans that enjoy talking about the Saints on a Saints website get excited for the upcoming season. If all you do is cry and complain go to a bar and let the barman hear your pathetic whining.

The bartender doesn’t do the sensational gif thing that you do, so I pour my own drink, and come here.

mapcow 06-06-2024 10:24 AM

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As of May 2024 Saints Win/Loss record

412 Wins
468 Losses

...... below 500; me thinks that is indicative of a losing team, no? :beatnik:

mapcow 06-06-2024 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996826)
“Winning championships is not the goal” ~ Quido

sounds like something it would say. sorta reminds me of what those cows on "the view", would say. :beatnik:

mapcow 06-06-2024 10:28 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 996829)
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/hm...e7d6021fe58785
Let the fans that enjoy talking about the Saints on a Saints website get excited for the upcoming season. If all you do is cry and complain go to a bar and let the barman hear your pathetic whining.

easy to fix.... expect and demand elite players to be named to the roster... not has beens, chokers, and thugs....and prima donna's; almost forgot that one. :beatnik:

mapcow 06-06-2024 10:30 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 996776)
You’re like the guy who beats his wife win dinner isn’t ready on time and turns around and says he loves her.

:rolleyes:

Sinner 06-06-2024 10:52 AM

Re: LSED Dragging Feet in Stadium Renovation Process
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 996834)
:rolleyes:

Oh by the way, truth be told, I cook for both my wife and I, and she beats me thoroughly, and I love her.

iceshack149 06-06-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996837)
Oh by the way, truth be told, I cook for both my wife and I, and she beats me thoroughly, and I love her.

This is why you're so feculent! I'm glad you love your wife but she needs to go in one of two directions: Beat the sadness out of you or stop beating you altogether so that we can see a less depressing side of you.

Sinner 06-06-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 996841)
This is why you're so feculent! I'm glad you love your wife but she needs to go in one of two directions: Beat the sadness out of you or stop beating you altogether so that we can see a less depressing side of you.

She beats me real good… and I love it. Whereas the way the Saints get beat, is totally different.

iceshack149 06-06-2024 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996843)
She beats me real good… and I love it. Whereas the way the Saints get beat, is totally different.

Well. This has become quite bizarre.
Uh...
:bng:

Sinner 06-06-2024 01:23 PM

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[QUOTE=iceshack149;996852]Well. This has become quite bizarre.
Uh...
:bng:[/QUOTE

Post stupid gifs. Win stupid prizes.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2024 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 996852)
Well. This has become quite bizarre.
Uh...
:bng:

Consider the source.

WW_Who_Dat 06-06-2024 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 996831)
As of May 2024 Saints Win/Loss record

412 Wins
468 Losses

...... below 500; me thinks that is indicative of a losing team, no? :beatnik:

Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

mapcow 06-07-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 996870)
Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat.

468 losses
412 wins :beatnik:

Sinner 06-07-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 996874)
Fact is, the Saints have an overall losing record, regardless of ownership, or management.... having a mediocre team will NOT improve the factual stat.

468 losses
412 wins :beatnik:

“Winning championships is not the goal”

~ Quido

Rugby Saint II 06-08-2024 12:05 PM

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We host the Super bowl again in 2025. There's a reason that the Super Dome is hosting the Championship game again. The city is a bucket list for a lot of folks who have never been to New Orleans and is a travel destination for foreigners who travel abroad.

The Dome is well respected in the NFL and the updates have kept her updated and modern. She's a classy/beautiful old girl. :bng:

BakoSaint 06-08-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 996870)
Benson bought the team in 1995.

Since 2002 when Mickey Loomis became Saints GM
Wins Losses Pct
203 152 .571%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

Since 2006 …
Wins Losses Pct
175 116 .601%

6 Losing Seasons during the past 18 seasons.
5 under SP
1 under DA

Not defending anybody just stating the facts.

But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023.

In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8.

The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10.

When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited.

AsylumGuido 06-08-2024 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 996896)
But under DA the Saints have had one losing season and one 9-8 thanks to a historically easy schedule season. One cannot emphasize strongly enough how easy the 2023 Saints schedule was. I believe it was a top 3 easy schedule for any team the last 20 years. With about 20 years and 32 teams thats 640 schedules of which the 2023 Saints had one of the 3 easiest. That puts the 2023 Saints schedule not just in the top 1% of easy scheduled, but the top 0.5% of easy schedules. Essentially the Saints have performed like a losing team both seasons of Dennis Allen's tenure, but were saved in 2023 by a scheduling miracle. If the Saints end 2024 with the easiest schedule in the league again, merely having the easiest schedule of 32 teams will just put the Saints in the top 3% of easy schedules, not the history making ease of 2023.

In addition, in order to achieve mediocre losing team level performance under Dennis Allen, the Saints have essentially spent more future dollars than any team in the league, since they played 2022 the most over the 2023 cap of any team in the league by far and 2023 the most over the 2024 cap of any team in the league by far. Loomis lovers will say this is just how we run our team, and it gives us an advantage, and the rest of the league is beginning to copy us, but if that were so, it would imply that given a league leading financial advantage, DA still has a losing record as Saints HC, which should make DA even worse in their book than mine. Did the Saints get under the cap in the end, sure, but the Saints have been living month to month on the credit card and making the minimum payments and balance transfer offers to juggle the debt, and what that has achieve is 7-10 and a historically anomalous 9-8.

The Saints success under Brees and Payton cannot be denied, but when you consider strength of schedule and spending, the Saints under Dennis Allen are not 'pretty darn good' as your 'only one losing season' paints the picture. Also Dennis Allen has 5 seasons under his belt with 0 playoff appearances and Derek Carr has 10.

When I hear Dennis Allen speak I would hire him as an accountant. He seems competent and serious enough. He knows the X's and O's. Mickey Loomis' background is accounting, so he is not used to big personalities or a lot of noise, and at times Sean Payton probably rubbed him the wrong way. But the thing is, there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL and only 5-10 who have what it takes to be exceptional, and you can't just be competent and serious you have to be extraordinary, a leader, maybe a big personality, maybe extraordinary genuine and intuitive socially, maybe the relentless general, maybe the mad creative genius, but you can't be the accountant, you can't be just the competent serious guy without a lot of any form of social skills, leadership, creativity, vision, OR accountability. You have to bring something extraordinary. Players have to love you, fear you, admire you, or be awed by you, they can't just kind of respect that you are this colleague with a corner office who did pretty good in a lesser role and seems to know some things and probably would not get them audited.

Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Sinner 06-08-2024 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996898)
Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Oh yes you did. LMFAO!!!

mapcow 06-11-2024 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996898)
Sorry, not wasting time to read your same old crap.

Liar :beatnik;


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