Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997063)

The Saints will indeed over pay him, but not in the manner you propose. Kamara has built up equity that give him more value than just a player on the field. The vast majority of fans love him.

That said, I simply don't see Kamara as "a declined player" as you label him. I see him as a player that was totally misused under the guidance of Pete Carmichael for the past two seasons. The Shanahan/Kubiak offensive scheme was designed for his type of play. If McCaffrey was running the exact same plays here under Carmichael his production would have been WAY down over the same time span. On the other hand, if Kamara had been running the Niners' Shanahan/Kubiak based scheme these past two seasons his numbers would have been markedly better.

Given all of that, he's still not going to be paid near top dollar and I seriously doubt he's expecting that. I believe he wants an extension first and foremost. That's it.

I understand that your mindset is to always look toward the very worst. For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone could live their life that way.

Pessimist versus optimist.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997063)

The Saints will indeed over pay him, but not in the manner you propose. Kamara has built up equity that give him more value than just a player on the field. The vast majority of fans love him.

That said, I simply don't see Kamara as "a declined player" as you label him. I see him as a player that was totally misused under the guidance of Pete Carmichael for the past two seasons. The Shanahan/Kubiak offensive scheme was designed for his type of play. If McCaffrey was running the exact same plays here under Carmichael his production would have been WAY down over the same time span. On the other hand, if Kamara had been running the Niners' Shanahan/Kubiak based scheme these past two seasons his numbers would have been markedly better.

Given all of that, he's still not going to be paid near top dollar and I seriously doubt he's expecting that. I believe he wants an extension first and foremost. That's it.

I understand that your mindset is to always look toward the very worst. For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone could live their life that way.

Pessimist versus optimist.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997066)

Thank God the ignore function is still working. Ideally it would be great if the fact someone being ignored didn't even show up as "This user is on your Ignore List."

:D

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 997067)

Whats your number for what you think Kamara is worth and what amount do you think would be too much and against the Saints interests?

I don't like paying for theoretical production. Prior to McCaffery, every SF RB under Shannahan got instantly injured. Kendre Miller looked impressive in his last game even with Carmichael, so maybe Kendre Miller would be even better with Kubiak too.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997069)

Hell if I know. I'm no more a GM than you. But, I do have an decent background in economics, accounting, and business law and have learned that those in the know have more insight than those on the outside.

Anything they eventually decide upon will, of course, be unsatisfactory to you and your flunkies. Anything they eventually decide upon will be fine with me.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 996975)

A hot mess, with Raider-Curbside-Clean-Up looking promising in mini-skirt… I mean mini-camp…

oh there WILL be pain Who Dats…

Don’t be mad at me… Shoot your arrows at Divine Lady B.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997004)

Everything I'm hearing is that Kamara wants to spend the rest of his career in New Orleans. He's wanting an extension to stay here long term, not necessarily more money.

And don't forget, almost all of these players have agents and these type of moves are fully orchestrated by those agents. Nothing personal.