Reasons To Be Positive

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2024, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I’m used to it. You’re keeping this love alive! ❤️❤️❤️
I am not asking you to let me complain in peace.
There will not be peace until my Saints put a championship team on the field.

How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 07-10-2024, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it?

SFIAH

The loser doesn't give a **** about the Saints. It is just relishing in the disruption it is creating. It doesn't care about anything other than its ego right now even if it destroys the forum.

Sinner · 07-10-2024, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The loser doesn't give a **** about the Saints. It is just relishing in the disruption it is creating. It doesn't care about anything other than its ego right now even if it destroys the forum.

Don’t be such a drama queen. The forum will not be destroyed by my complaining. We’ve all endured much worse than what I bring.

Sinner · 07-10-2024, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it?

SFIAH

Speculating will do even less to fix this than complaining.
I don’t answer to you. The Saints do… or don’t. We’ll see.

AsylumGuido · 07-10-2024, 07:28 PM

Sinner · 07-10-2024, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

^^^ See… I complain about my team (the Saints) disappointing me in a “Saints” Forum. No matter how annoying that might be, it is not as annoying as our team underperforming or improperly utilized or utterly mismanaged… and definitely not as annoying as you acting like a child… but here we are.

You’re a grown @ss man who is supposed to be IGNORING me.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2024, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

C'mon Guido. You're not really being helpful here. Sinner and some others around here are frustrated with the insignificant progress that the Saints have made in the last 3 years towards securing another championship. And honestly, the proof is in the pudding there. They are not satisfied with fielding a team that doesn't have a realistic chance of winning a championship in a reasonable time frame. That's the truth. It's not trolling.

So, the constructive conversation in this area has two parts. First is to clear out the current regime at some level. And Saints fans all over have been calling for that for a while now. But no one seems to want to address the pretty obvious second part: then who do you replace them with? And that's the question that I'm asking.

So, I would hope that unless you want to participate in that conversation, which I don't think you do, that it would be best if you just stay out of it. Training camp is starting in a couple of weeks. There's a whole bunch of things that can be discussed about that, the team, the preseason, and the outlook for the regular season. There's no need for you to throw stones in this conversation.

SFIAH

Sinner · 07-10-2024, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

C'mon Guido. You're not really being helpful here. Sinner and some others around here are frustrated with the insignificant progress that the Saints have made in the last 3 years towards securing another championship. And honestly, the proof is in the pudding there. They are not satisfied with fielding a team that doesn't have a realistic chance of winning a championship in a reasonable time frame. That's the truth. It's not trolling.

So, the constructive conversation in this area has two parts. First is to clear out the current regime at some level. And Saints fans all over have been calling for that for a while now. But no one seems to want to address the pretty obvious second part: then who do you replace them with? And that's the question that I'm asking.

So, I would hope that unless you want to participate in that conversation, which I don't think you do, that it would be best if you just stay out of it. Training camp is starting in a couple of weeks. There's a whole bunch of things that can be discussed about that, the team, the preseason, and the outlook for the regular season. There's no need for you to throw stones in this conversation.

SFIAH

^^^ THAT. THANK YOU.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2024, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Speculating will do even less to fix this than complaining.
I don’t answer to you. The Saints do… or don’t. We’ll see.

How so? Speculation can give some constructive ideas of how to make things better. You are certain that Dennis Allen, and I presume Mickey Loomis, cannot get the Saints back to promised land. So, that means that there are some behaviors or execution elements that you say that makes that so. So, other than the obvious (losing too many games, not making the playoffs, not winning a SuperBowl) what traits to you see in the current regime that causes this? And who out there that have traits that will cause the opposite?

I mean none of this is magic. It's work. You are asking the Saints to do the work. And that's fine. But you must have an idea of what you are looking for in order to fix it.

It's clear that the gold standard right now is KC. Other than the obvious, what are the GM, HC, and QB over there doing that puts them in the championship competition virtually every year that you don't see with the Saints? And who out there other than those guys do you see similar traits?

SFIAH

Sinner · 07-10-2024, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

How so? Speculation can give some constructive ideas of how to make things better. You are certain that Dennis Allen, and I presume Mickey Loomis, cannot get the Saints back to promised land. So, that means that there are some behaviors or execution elements that you say that makes that so. So, other than the obvious (losing too many games, not making the playoffs, not winning a SuperBowl) what traits to you see in the current regime that causes this? And who out there that have traits that will cause the opposite?

I mean none of this is magic. It's work. You are asking the Saints to do the work. And that's fine. But you must have an idea of what you are looking for in order to fix it.

It's clear that the gold standard right now is KC. Other than the obvious, what are the GM, HC, and QB over there doing that puts them in the championship competition virtually every year that you don't see with the Saints? And who out there other than those guys do you see similar traits?

SFIAH

I’ll say it again, and politely. With all due respect, I am not here to answer to you, or to speculate about what a multimillion dollar organization should or shouldn’t do to fix this. I am just a fan, who saw Drew in decline years ago, and watched absolutely inadequate replacements put into position, and watched Sean Payton basically call it quits (and rightfully so), to be replaced by a limp d*ck with no fire and no ability to command the respect of some truly competent players, and I’ve done the hallucinogenic math at the end of the past few seasons, about who needs to lose to who, in order for us to possibly sneak or squeak into the “PLAYOFFS?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDIN ME?!?!?” And I’m looking at yet another precious year of my life, waiting to see if some unspectacular pieces might somehow fall into place, so that we might make .500 and keep those unspectacular pieces around a bit longer, to ride out a “rebuild” phase that feels like watching paint dry, or more accurately, black and gold paint peeling off the wall.

You keep asking me questions, when you know I’m only going to complain until THEY speculate on how to fix their own (mis) management. So you’re laying down a troll-chow banquet for me to feast on, and then complaining about me complaining. Gonna be a lonnnnnnnnng season bro. WHODAT!!!

07-10-2024, 05:21 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner I’m used to it. You’re keeping this love alive! ❤️❤️❤️ I am not asking you to let me complain in peace. There will not be peace until my Saints put a championship team on the field. How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it? SFIAH

07-10-2024, 05:40 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,543	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it? SFIAH The loser doesn't give a **** about the Saints. It is just relishing in the disruption it is creating. It doesn't care about anything other than its ego right now even if it destroys the forum.

07-10-2024, 06:07 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The loser doesn't give a **** about the Saints. It is just relishing in the disruption it is creating. It doesn't care about anything other than its ego right now even if it destroys the forum. Don’t be such a drama queen. The forum will not be destroyed by my complaining. We’ve all endured much worse than what I bring. K Major likes this.
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07-10-2024, 06:10 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it? SFIAH Speculating will do even less to fix this than complaining. I don’t answer to you. The Saints do… or don’t. We’ll see.
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07-10-2024, 08:33 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ^^^ See… I complain about my team (the Saints) disappointing me in a “Saints” Forum. No matter how annoying that might be, it is not as annoying as our team underperforming or improperly utilized or utterly mismanaged… and definitely not as annoying as you acting like a child… but here we are. You’re a grown @ss man who is supposed to be IGNORING me.
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07-10-2024, 10:12 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido C'mon Guido. You're not really being helpful here. Sinner and some others around here are frustrated with the insignificant progress that the Saints have made in the last 3 years towards securing another championship. And honestly, the proof is in the pudding there. They are not satisfied with fielding a team that doesn't have a realistic chance of winning a championship in a reasonable time frame. That's the truth. It's not trolling. So, the constructive conversation in this area has two parts. First is to clear out the current regime at some level. And Saints fans all over have been calling for that for a while now. But no one seems to want to address the pretty obvious second part: then who do you replace them with? And that's the question that I'm asking. So, I would hope that unless you want to participate in that conversation, which I don't think you do, that it would be best if you just stay out of it. Training camp is starting in a couple of weeks. There's a whole bunch of things that can be discussed about that, the team, the preseason, and the outlook for the regular season. There's no need for you to throw stones in this conversation. SFIAH leilung, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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07-10-2024, 10:24 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL C'mon Guido. You're not really being helpful here. Sinner and some others around here are frustrated with the insignificant progress that the Saints have made in the last 3 years towards securing another championship. And honestly, the proof is in the pudding there. They are not satisfied with fielding a team that doesn't have a realistic chance of winning a championship in a reasonable time frame. That's the truth. It's not trolling. So, the constructive conversation in this area has two parts. First is to clear out the current regime at some level. And Saints fans all over have been calling for that for a while now. But no one seems to want to address the pretty obvious second part: then who do you replace them with? And that's the question that I'm asking. So, I would hope that unless you want to participate in that conversation, which I don't think you do, that it would be best if you just stay out of it. Training camp is starting in a couple of weeks. There's a whole bunch of things that can be discussed about that, the team, the preseason, and the outlook for the regular season. There's no need for you to throw stones in this conversation. SFIAH ^^^ THAT. THANK YOU.
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07-10-2024, 10:00 PM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner Speculating will do even less to fix this than complaining. I don’t answer to you. The Saints do… or don’t. We’ll see. How so? Speculation can give some constructive ideas of how to make things better. You are certain that Dennis Allen, and I presume Mickey Loomis, cannot get the Saints back to promised land. So, that means that there are some behaviors or execution elements that you say that makes that so. So, other than the obvious (losing too many games, not making the playoffs, not winning a SuperBowl) what traits to you see in the current regime that causes this? And who out there that have traits that will cause the opposite? I mean none of this is magic. It's work. You are asking the Saints to do the work. And that's fine. But you must have an idea of what you are looking for in order to fix it. It's clear that the gold standard right now is KC. Other than the obvious, what are the GM, HC, and QB over there doing that puts them in the championship competition virtually every year that you don't see with the Saints? And who out there other than those guys do you see similar traits? SFIAH Rugby Saint II likes this.
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07-10-2024, 10:21 PM	#10
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL How so? Speculation can give some constructive ideas of how to make things better. You are certain that Dennis Allen, and I presume Mickey Loomis, cannot get the Saints back to promised land. So, that means that there are some behaviors or execution elements that you say that makes that so. So, other than the obvious (losing too many games, not making the playoffs, not winning a SuperBowl) what traits to you see in the current regime that causes this? And who out there that have traits that will cause the opposite? I mean none of this is magic. It's work. You are asking the Saints to do the work. And that's fine. But you must have an idea of what you are looking for in order to fix it. It's clear that the gold standard right now is KC. Other than the obvious, what are the GM, HC, and QB over there doing that puts them in the championship competition virtually every year that you don't see with the Saints? And who out there other than those guys do you see similar traits? SFIAH I’ll say it again, and politely. With all due respect, I am not here to answer to you, or to speculate about what a multimillion dollar organization should or shouldn’t do to fix this. I am just a fan, who saw Drew in decline years ago, and watched absolutely inadequate replacements put into position, and watched Sean Payton basically call it quits (and rightfully so), to be replaced by a limp d*ck with no fire and no ability to command the respect of some truly competent players, and I’ve done the hallucinogenic math at the end of the past few seasons, about who needs to lose to who, in order for us to possibly sneak or squeak into the “PLAYOFFS?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDIN ME?!?!?” And I’m looking at yet another precious year of my life, waiting to see if some unspectacular pieces might somehow fall into place, so that we might make .500 and keep those unspectacular pieces around a bit longer, to ride out a “rebuild” phase that feels like watching paint dry, or more accurately, black and gold paint peeling off the wall. You keep asking me questions, when you know I’m only going to complain until THEY speculate on how to fix their own (mis) management. So you’re laying down a troll-chow banquet for me to feast on, and then complaining about me complaining. Gonna be a lonnnnnnnnng season bro. WHODAT!!!
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