Well said. What makes this site great, is the freedom to express exactly what we perceive and feel. I was a lot different on here when my Saints were A LOT different, and every week and every game had an energy that was full of possibility and a certain “fire”. That’s just me, although I know I’m not alone there.

What makes this site $uck, is when the team remains consistently mediocre, if not completely $ucky, NOT the bickering. The bickering is a byproduct of a lackluster product, which fans all process differently. The site is fine. The team is not, and you know it.

And no, I don’t go to war with the army I have, if the organization is a mess, and ill prepared. That would be a suicide mission. And I say that from personal experience.

This site is no longer great. And that's primarily because of you. Not the Saints. Not their personnel. Not their organization. You.

You are like the dog in the fire smoking a cig, saying everything is fine. The obliviousness you show when multiple people are literally screaming that the problem is you, ans your compatriots, in your face is absolutely astounding to watch.

The bickering is a byproduct of the fact that you will not leave any conversation about the team alone because you are pissed off that they cannot deliver you a SuperBowk championship every year. You "know" that the team needs to be changed. You also know that isn't happening anytime soon. So, your expression of your frustration is to spew crap on any conversation here that states anything other than blowing up the whole thing and starting over.

People are getting frustrated with you. And we cannot ignore you because you are everywhere on here. You don't want to talk Saints football. You don't want to talk about how things can get better. All you want to do is complain bitterly, aggravate many people here, then hide your hands with "I'm just expressing myself. If you don't like then you can just ignore me." knowing full well that there is no way to do that.

So, drop your trite "The Saints are the problem." The problem is you. And you won't do anything to try to rectify it.

So, I'm taking a page your book. Since you are the problem on this site. And like the Saints you cannot seem to fix it, I'm going to complain about you everywhere you go here. And I'm calling for everyone who is as aggravated as I am with this to do the same. Maybe when you start to see every one of your post followed by 20-30 responses about how you are ruining this site, maybe you'll finally have some self reflection and make some changes.

SFIAH

This is about THE SAINTS. It’s not about ME. It’s a SAINTS FORUM, not a ME or YOU FORUM. If you want to make this about ME, have at it. I’m here to talk about my Saints.

It's YOU! Not the Saints. If YOU didn't do what YOU do, then almost everyone here would have a lovely time talking about Saints football.

You are here to disparage the team. And for God knows what reason, you are determined to make most of us miserable in the process. I guess you think that somehow you can get us all as pissed off about the Saints as you are. It's not going to work. All you will do is what you are doing now: Getting many of us pissed at YOU!

Well you have succeeded. And you can keep coming back with your pithy "But it's the Saints!" Lame excuses fall of deaf ears.

Test your theory. Go into read mode a while. Watch the site. See if all of us are so pissed with the Saints that the same kind of moaning and complaining that YOU always do continues to the degree that YOU do it.

You won't. Because YOU know the answer to that. Your objective is to make us miserable. YOU HAVE SUCCEEDED! But I'm not going take that out on the Saints, because the Saints are not the cause of it. YOU ARE!

SFIAH

I’m not going to rehash the entire Payton/Brees Saints era, other than to say it was spectacular and fun. We won a playoff game and went the NFC Championship the first year, and won a Super Bowl in their 4th season together. A lot of stuff happened and there were good and bad seasons, but later they reinvented the team and had another excellent run of success. I appreciated every minute of the roller coaster ride, and ecstatically shared many of those moments here (mostly in LIVE CHAT during the games).

The hallmark of those teams was that they were always exciting to watch. Payton coached with authority and his energy was that of the fans—— he might have been overly aggressive with challenges or 4th down plays, but that aggressiveness fed into the team, who built on that energy. You could also count the number of games on that the Brees/Payton Saints were blown out of on one hand.

This is a different story. I am here to chronicle that story with y’all.

AGAIN… THIS IS ABOUT THE SAINTS, NOT ME.

That era is gone. That era worked because of Payton and Brees. Both of them are gone. And they are never ever coming back.

It's rare when an organization loses their Hall of Fame quality people and keep rolling at the same level with a new group of people. Maybe the 49ers in the 80's? Look at what happened to the Cowgirls since Aikman, Smith, and Irvin moved on. They haven't sniffed anything close to a championship. People like that just don't fall off the turnip truck.

It's about YOU because YOU constantly scream about how YOU don't have that anymore. But YOU don't even want to talk about how do you get the next Payton or Brees and get the qualities that you describe above. YOU just want it magically done so that you can recapture that feeling that you used to have.

That's not real life. Especially in the NFL. Ask the Lions. Or the Browns. If may be 50 years before the Saints recapture that.

My fear is that you are going to scream each and every one of those 50 years. That you cannot find anything at all about the current organization that's worth talking about. And even worse you try at every turn to prevent anyone else from doing it either.

So, again, keep listening, this is about YOU. YOU cannot get over the post Brees/Payton hangover. You don't want to talk about how we can possibly get past where we are. You don't want to have any discussion about the current organization. And again for some inexplicable reason you feel compelled to spew that trash here where very few people want to hear it on a daily basis.

Allen was not fired in January. Kubiak was hired in January. The organization for 2024 is set. And no amount of your screaming is going to change that. So, frankly, I don't want to hear it anymore. I want to be able to talk about training camp, and preseason games, and how the Saints are going to come out 2-2 or better in games 2-5 in the regular season.

You don't want to talk about any of that. But for certain you are going to dump load on anyone that does.

Just write everything you're going to write here and send it to Mickey. He's the one who actually has the power to make the changes you want. He should hear about that from you. We don't need to.

SFIAH

It not about ME. This is a SAINTS FORUM. It’s about the SAINTS.

Mickey Loomis is quoted as saying, “I think sometimes the easy thing to do, the lazy thing to do is look at the results of the season and say ‘ah it’s the coach’s fault, it’s the quarterback’s fault.’ I think sometimes you have to look beyond that,” Loomis said, pointing to the records each of those coaches achieved in their first two years on the job. Walsh went 8-24 in his first two years with the San Francisco 49ers. Noll was 6-22 with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Belichick had a 13-19 showing after his first two years with the Cleveland Browns. Payton went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years on the job.

But it’s a bogus comparison. Allen may be 16-18 after two seasons with the Saints, but you can’t compare these situations the way Loomis is trying to. It isn’t like Allen is new to the responsibilities of being a head coach. He had three years to figure these things out a decade ago with the Raiders. Walsh, Noll, Belichick, and Payton were all first-timers. Allen has been here before but he doesn’t have the results to show for it.

To be clear, Loomis should believe in Allen seeing that he brought the coach back for a third year at the helm. Loomis, however, doesn’t need to make ridiculous comparisons to attempt to defend his guy. The comparisons are meant to express things haven’t gone well but can get better, and Dennis Allen’s record isn’t a full reflection of his ability Comparing Allen to Payton and Belichick, and multiple Hall of Famers, dilutes the point.

And Payton, specifically, accomplished much more than Allen had to this point in his career. Has Loomis forgotten that he led the Saints to the NFC championship game in his first season with New Orleans? That he won more games in his first year as a head coach than Allen has ever managed in five? Allen can’t even win the weakest division in pro football two years running.

But Loomis hired Allen, and he’s going to keep making excuses for Allen’s shortcomings until things change. And hopefully they will. There’s enough talent on this roster to get into the playoffs. Maybe the Saints can make enough changes to the coaching staff this offseason to get over that hump. Maybe not… But they can do that without having their general manager embarrass himself whenever he gets in front of a microphone, and making a mockery of our loyalty as fans.

This site is no longer great. And that's primarily because of you. Not the Saints. Not their personnel. Not their organization. You.

You are like the dog in the fire smoking a cig, saying everything is fine. The obliviousness you show when multiple people are literally screaming that the problem is you, and your compatriots, in your face is absolutely astounding to watch.

The bickering is a byproduct of the fact that you will not leave any conversation about the team alone because you are pissed off that they cannot deliver you a SuperBowl championship every year. You "know" that the team needs to be changed. You also know that isn't happening anytime soon. So, your expression of your frustration is to spew crap on any conversation here that states anything other than blowing up the whole thing up and starting over.

People are getting frustrated with you. And we cannot ignore you because you are everywhere on here. You don't want to talk Saints football. You don't want to talk about how things can get better. All you want to do is complain bitterly here, aggravate many people here, then hide your hands with "I'm just expressing myself. If you don't like it then you can just ignore me." knowing full well that there is no way to do that.

So, drop your trite "The Saints are the problem." The problem is you. And you won't do anything to try to rectify it.

So, I'm taking a page your book. Since you are the problem on this site in my estimation. And like the Saints you cannot seem to fix it, I'm going to complain about you everywhere you go here. And I'm calling for everyone who is as aggravated as I am with this to do the same. Maybe when you start to see every one of your post followed by 20-30 responses about how you are ruining this site, maybe you'll finally have some self reflection and make some changes.

I don't understand if your problem is with the Saints, why don't you address your issues with them? E-mail Loomis, or Greg Bensel, their VP of Communications and express your displeasure to them. Do it every day if you like. They are the ones who need to hear your complaints, not us.

And yes, I'm just expressing what I perceive and feel. And like you I will continue to do so at every turn. I would even advise folks to put me on ignore too because every response of mine that follows you is going to be just like this one.

SFIAH

IGNORE Feature ... use it. OR don't read the post.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Did it for two years. Not doing it again.

Why don't you just stop posting trash about the Saints. That's not what this forum is for.

SFIAH