Reasons To Be Positive

Sinner · 07-15-2024, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This is no longer about the Saints. You don't get to post this without making suggestion about how do you fix it beyond firing Allen and Loomis. I gave you that opportunity before. You declined to engage in it.

I cannot see why you can't figure out that if the only that gets discussed here is how bad the Saints are, and that they should even bother to play the season, then everyone other than you and Mapcow will just leave. Leave you to a desolate wasteland. I guess that's you want: all of us to stay here and join into your misery.

Everyone wants to point out all the problems. But no one seems to have any solutions. Did you see any articles from this guy back in January about who the Saints should have hired instead of Kubiak?

I really just wish you would take your own advice. You said elsewhere that you wouldn't go to war with disorganized incompetence. You clearly feel that's where the Saints are. So, why don't you just walk away until you see the competence you seek? Come back at the end of the season.

SFIAH

Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks.

Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play.

It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-15-2024, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks.

Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play.

It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back.

So, I ask as always, what would you have done instead? The Saints lost confidence in JW2. And TH7 had his shot at QB1 and did not make the mark. The Saints did not have a quarterback on the Roster. So, you do you pick instead. What do you pay them.

It's easy to complain about Carr. But it's all a load of crap if you cannot suggest what the Saints should have done instead.

You can keep posting this crap all day long. I see that you're just deflecting and not answering any of my questions about why you continue to do this and why would just won't stop.

It doesn't matter now about Carr's stats or his salary. That's done. He is QB1 for the Saints right now. He is QB1 for the 2024 squad.

All you can do now is suggest what they should have done. But of course you won't do that. It's just so much easier to just complain.

SFIAH

07-15-2024, 09:04 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This is no longer about the Saints. You don't get to post this without making suggestion about how do you fix it beyond firing Allen and Loomis. I gave you that opportunity before. You declined to engage in it. I cannot see why you can't figure out that if the only that gets discussed here is how bad the Saints are, and that they should even bother to play the season, then everyone other than you and Mapcow will just leave. Leave you to a desolate wasteland. I guess that's you want: all of us to stay here and join into your misery. Everyone wants to point out all the problems. But no one seems to have any solutions. Did you see any articles from this guy back in January about who the Saints should have hired instead of Kubiak? I really just wish you would take your own advice. You said elsewhere that you wouldn't go to war with disorganized incompetence. You clearly feel that's where the Saints are. So, why don't you just walk away until you see the competence you seek? Come back at the end of the season. SFIAH Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks. Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play. It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back.
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07-15-2024, 09:25 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks. Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play. It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back. So, I ask as always, what would you have done instead? The Saints lost confidence in JW2. And TH7 had his shot at QB1 and did not make the mark. The Saints did not have a quarterback on the Roster. So, you do you pick instead. What do you pay them. It's easy to complain about Carr. But it's all a load of crap if you cannot suggest what the Saints should have done instead. You can keep posting this crap all day long. I see that you're just deflecting and not answering any of my questions about why you continue to do this and why would just won't stop. It doesn't matter now about Carr's stats or his salary. That's done. He is QB1 for the Saints right now. He is QB1 for the 2024 squad. All you can do now is suggest what they should have done. But of course you won't do that. It's just so much easier to just complain. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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