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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by mapcow Proof positive this is EZ money for gayle. Why build a premier winning team, when she is making bank with a mediocre team? What was the baseball movie.... major league??? Same question to you as to ...

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Old 07-15-2024, 07:54 PM   #1
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Re: Reasons To Be Positive

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Proof positive this is EZ money for gayle. Why build a premier winning team, when she is making bank with a mediocre team? What was the baseball movie.... major league???
Same question to you as to Sinner. If it's so easy to build a premier winning team, then why don't you tell us exactly how to do it?

You don't get to victim blame here and say that Ms. Benson doesn't bother to do better because we as fans will accept whatever product the Saints organization fields.

Just recognize that neither of you have any clue how to put together a winning organization. It's simple to sit on the sidelines an boo. But even worse you both insist on hanging around here and continuously dump you doom and gloom upon us.

I'd like to hear your proposals on how to fix the Saints, since you've clearly identified all of the problems with them.

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Old 07-15-2024, 08:07 PM   #2
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Same question to you as to Sinner. If it's so easy to build a premier winning team, then why don't you tell us exactly how to do it?

You don't get to victim blame here and say that Ms. Benson doesn't bother to do better because we as fans will accept whatever product the Saints organization fields.

Just recognize that neither of you have any clue how to put together a winning organization. It's simple to sit on the sidelines an boo. But even worse you both insist on hanging around here and continuously dump you doom and gloom upon us.

I'd like to hear your proposals on how to fix the Saints, since you've clearly identified all of the problems with them.

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We don’t dump doom and gloom. The Saints do. We respond to it.
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Old 07-15-2024, 08:35 PM   #3
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We don’t dump doom and gloom. The Saints do. We respond to it.
No. It's you. You have the binary "Must win championships/Otherwise complete crap" switch that ordinary fans don't have. It's you that doesn't that the ability to read a room and respond accordingly.

Why do you respond to your issues with the Saints here? You have issues with the Saints. Go take up your issues with them. We want to talk about Saints football in the real world here, not in your fantasy world where the Saints go 20-0, dominate everyone, and win the championship every year.

You are not going to get to deflect blame. You are the problem and you have no interest in fixing it. You don't be a part of this community. You want to terrorize this community.

I hope you are starting to see that we're not going to put up with it this year. And we're not going to try to ignore you anymore.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM HERE. FIX IT!

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Old 07-15-2024, 08:38 PM   #4
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No. It's you. You have the binary "Must win championships/Otherwise complete crap" switch that ordinary fans don't have. It's you that doesn't that the ability to read a room and respond accordingly.

Why do you respond to it here? You have issues with the Saints. Go take up your issues with them. We want to talk about Saints football in the real world here, not in your fantasy world where the Saints go 20-0, dominate everyone, and win the championship every year.

You are not going to get to deflect blame. You are the problem and you have no interest in fixing it. You don't be a part of this community. You want to terrorize this community.

I hope you are starting to see that we're not going to put up with it this year. And we're not going to try to ignore you.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM HERE. FIX IT!

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This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities.

Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023:

“We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.”
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Old 07-15-2024, 08:59 PM   #5
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Re: Reasons To Be Positive

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This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities.

Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023:

“We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.”
This is no longer about the Saints. You don't get to post this without making suggestion about how do you fix it beyond firing Allen and Loomis. I gave you that opportunity before. You declined to engage in it.

I cannot see why you can't figure out that if the only that gets discussed here is how bad the Saints are, and that they should even bother to play the season, then everyone other than you and Mapcow will just leave. Leave you to a desolate wasteland. I guess that's you want: all of us to stay here and join into your misery.

Everyone wants to point out all the problems. But no one seems to have any solutions. Did you see any articles from this guy back in January about who the Saints should have hired instead of Kubiak?

I really just wish you would take your own advice. You said elsewhere that you wouldn't go to war with disorganized incompetence. You clearly feel that's where the Saints are. So, why don't you just walk away until you see the competence you seek? Come back at the end of the season.

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Old 07-15-2024, 09:04 PM   #6
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This is no longer about the Saints. You don't get to post this without making suggestion about how do you fix it beyond firing Allen and Loomis. I gave you that opportunity before. You declined to engage in it.

I cannot see why you can't figure out that if the only that gets discussed here is how bad the Saints are, and that they should even bother to play the season, then everyone other than you and Mapcow will just leave. Leave you to a desolate wasteland. I guess that's you want: all of us to stay here and join into your misery.

Everyone wants to point out all the problems. But no one seems to have any solutions. Did you see any articles from this guy back in January about who the Saints should have hired instead of Kubiak?

I really just wish you would take your own advice. You said elsewhere that you wouldn't go to war with disorganized incompetence. You clearly feel that's where the Saints are. So, why don't you just walk away until you see the competence you seek? Come back at the end of the season.

SFIAH
Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks.

Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play.

It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back.
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Old 07-15-2024, 09:25 PM   #7
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Derek Carr’s bad habit of throwing short of the sticks has drawn criticism from Saints fans and mockery from his opponents, and the numbers bear it out. Pro Football Reference measures success rate as the percent of plays which gain at least 40% of yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on third or fourth down. Carr’s current success rate as a passer is just 43.6%, which ranks 20th among the NFL’s 32 starting quarterbacks.

Look at more comprehensive metrics like quarterback rating (where Carr’s 82.8 grade ranks 20th) or PFR’s adjusted net yards per pass attempt (which has Carr at 23rd, with a 5.2 ANY/A) and you’ll see more of the same: he’s on the wrong end of the spectrum in terms of NFL quarterback play.

It wouldn’t be as big an issue if Carr were playing on the modest contract the Saints signed Jameis Winston to; his last two-year, $28 million deal would be more in line with someone performing at Carr’s level. That Carr is instead being paid to play like a fringe top-10 quarterback (his $37.5 million average per-year salary clocks in at 13th) makes it a problem when he’s closer to a bottom-10 passer (his success rate, again, is 20th). If Carr can’t pick it up and meet the expectations set for him, he and his contract are quickly going to become an albatross holding this team back.
So, I ask as always, what would you have done instead? The Saints lost confidence in JW2. And TH7 had his shot at QB1 and did not make the mark. The Saints did not have a quarterback on the Roster. So, you do you pick instead. What do you pay them.

It's easy to complain about Carr. But it's all a load of crap if you cannot suggest what the Saints should have done instead.

You can keep posting this crap all day long. I see that you're just deflecting and not answering any of my questions about why you continue to do this and why would just won't stop.

It doesn't matter now about Carr's stats or his salary. That's done. He is QB1 for the Saints right now. He is QB1 for the 2024 squad.

All you can do now is suggest what they should have done. But of course you won't do that. It's just so much easier to just complain.

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Old 07-16-2024, 10:21 AM   #8
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Re: Reasons To Be Positive

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
Same question to you as to Sinner. If it's so easy to build a premier winning team, then why don't you tell us exactly how to do it?

You don't get to victim blame here and say that Ms. Benson doesn't bother to do better because we as fans will accept whatever product the Saints organization fields.

Just recognize that neither of you have any clue how to put together a winning organization. It's simple to sit on the sidelines an boo. But even worse you both insist on hanging around here and continuously dump you doom and gloom upon us.

I'd like to hear your proposals on how to fix the Saints, since you've clearly identified all of the problems with them.

SFIAH
sure i do. I am just a fan, and a disgruntled one at that.
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Old 07-16-2024, 11:09 AM   #9
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sure i do. I am just a fan, and a disgruntled one at that.
Wow! We didn't know that! Thanks for telling us that for like the eleven hundredth millionth time.

I'm a disgruntled fan of you and Sinner on this site. I'm tired of your trash. It's unproductive. It's annoying. It disrupts the ability for the rest of us to have any real discussions about the team without being interrupted by your trash talking.

And I've figured out that you don't talk about fixing it. All you want to do is complain, then shrug your shoulders with your little beatnik emoji and state the Saints suck.

If you can't give any solutions of how to move forward, then just sit on the side quietly and let the rest of us discuss it in peace.

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Old 07-16-2024, 12:12 PM   #10
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sure i do. I am just a fan, and a disgruntled one at that.
Your little beatnik emoji… it’s killing my Kumbaya. Waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!

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