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Sinner 07-16-2024 01:01 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997537)
The fallacy with your analogy is that it is your opinion that Carr and Allen can't get us all the way there. I believe whole-heartedly that they can. They may, in fact, give us the best chance we'll see in the next few decades for all we know. Your hatred guides your every thought process. You make the narrative fit your hate. Not only do you blindly feel that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, but you see the grass beneath your feet as something vile and barren.

You have to face the fact that not everyone feels the way you do. There's the sinner guy and the cowpattie guy, of course, but that's sure nothing to hang your hat on. :D Pretty much everyone around here thinks they are just hate spewing flunkies, as well.
You’re clearly willing to wait “for the next few decades”, for Carr and Allen to fade through more mediocrity, into obscurity, assuming that you/we survive even one more season, let alone one decade, to watch the black and gold paint to continue to peel from the wall. You are quoted as saying, “Winning championships is not the goal”, which is all you really need to say. We don’t “hate” it, we just see it. Clearly.

mapcow 07-16-2024 01:16 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997537)
The fallacy with your analogy is that it is your opinion that Carr and Allen can't get us all the way there. I believe whole-heartedly that they can. They may, in fact, give us the best chance we'll see in the next few decades for all we know. Your hatred guides your every thought process. You make the narrative fit your hate. Not only do you blindly feel that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, but you see the grass beneath your feet as something vile and barren.

You have to face the fact that not everyone feels the way you do. There's the sinner guy and the cowpattie guy, of course, but that's sure nothing to hang your hat on. :D Pretty much everyone around here thinks they are just hate spewing flunkies, as well.
The only hatred apparently being displayed is that of losing. pointing out factual specifics of reality are not hate; such as AK being a thug, and #13 is a prima donna. Quido's assertion of anyone hating any specific person is ludicrous. :beatnik:

bobdog86 07-16-2024 01:17 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997539)
That sort of rebuilding commonly results in that generational failure that you mentioned. I've been living with my Saints since 1967 and what we have today is miles ahead of most of those dismal years.
Sometimes you present yourself as the only Baby Boomer on this forum whose endured hardship and futility, intentional or not is irrelevant. But trust me, your not. As a Saints fan we've all endured futility and hardship. while yes, we may be in a better place than we have been in years past, but are we really championship quality or just mediocre. That's really the debate. I try to listen to everyone's two cents. You have have good points, Sinner has good points but I don't agree with everything anyone has to say. my .02 is something's missing...is it in personnel? Management? ownership? We have a good QB not great, we have a coach is he good enough to win a championship? not so sure.
Is it time for Mickey to move on? i believe it is.

Sinner 07-16-2024 01:19 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 997546)
Sometimes you present yourself as the only Baby Boomer on this forum whose endured hardship and futility, intentional or not is irrelevant. But trust me, your not. As a Saints fan we've all endured futility and hardship. while yes, we may be in a better place than we have been in years past, but are we really championship quality or just mediocre. That's really the debate. I try to listen to everyone's two cents. You have have good points, Sinner has good points but I don't agree with everything anyone has to say. my .02 is something's missing...is it in personnel? Management? ownership? We have a good QB not great, we have a coach is he good enough to win a championship? not so sure.
Is it time for Mickey to move on? i believe it is.
BINGO.

mapcow 07-16-2024 01:21 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 997546)
Sometimes you present yourself as the only Baby Boomer on this forum whose endured hardship and futility, intentional or not is irrelevant. But trust me, your not. As a Saints fan we've all endured futility and hardship. while yes, we may be in a better place than we have been in years past, but are we really championship quality or just mediocre. That's really the debate. I try to listen to everyone's two cents. You have have good points, Sinner has good points but I don't agree with everything anyone has to say. my .02 is something's missing...is it in personnel? Management? ownership? We have a good QB not great, we have a coach is he good enough to win a championship? not so sure.
Is it time for Mickey to move on? i believe it is.
watch out... when you point out reality and facts... you get demonized here. it is tough being right. :beatnik:

AsylumGuido 07-16-2024 01:26 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 997546)
Sometimes you present yourself as the only Baby Boomer on this forum whose endured hardship and futility, intentional or not is irrelevant. But trust me, your not. As a Saints fan we've all endured futility and hardship. while yes, we may be in a better place than we have been in years past, but are we really championship quality or just mediocre. That's really the debate. I try to listen to everyone's two cents. You have have good points, Sinner has good points but I don't agree with everything anyone has to say. my .02 is something's missing...is it in personnel? Management? ownership? We have a good QB not great, we have a coach is he good enough to win a championship? not so sure.
Is it time for Mickey to move on? i believe it is.
I believe SFIAH has addressed these questions himself and has failed to get any suggestions. How does replacing Carr guarantee he'd be able to be replaced by anyone better? The same goes for Dennis Allen. Who would be a replacement that guarantees the defense would remain as good as it is now and the team as a whole would be better? And what GM would be guaranteed to do a better job than Loomis?

Are we championship quality or just mediocre? I'd say we're closer to becoming championship quality than we might be if we flushed it all down the drain and started over. It just makes sense that it's easier to reach the top from the middle as opposed to starting at the bottom.

Sinner 07-16-2024 01:26 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 997548)
watch out... when you point out reality and facts... you get demonized here. it is tough being right. :beatnik:
It’s ok. At the end of the day, or the season, there are just as many of us, as there are them. Keep your little beatnik emoji alive!

bobdog86 07-16-2024 01:40 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997549)
I believe SFIAH has addressed these questions himself and has failed to get any suggestions. How does replacing Carr guarantee he'd be able to be replaced by anyone better? The same goes for Dennis Allen. Who would be a replacement that guarantees the defense would remain as good as it is now and the team as a whole would be better? And what GM would be guaranteed to do a better job than Loomis?

Are we championship quality or just mediocre? I'd say we're closer to becoming championship quality than we might be if we flushed it all down the drain and started over. It just makes sense that it's easier to reach the top from the middle as opposed to starting at the bottom.
Perhaps, but sometimes mediocrity is the highest level attained or attainable. Just because we are in the middle doesn't mean reaching the top is attainable.
Doesn't mean I hate the coach, GM or even certain players. Would you be happy with 5, 6 or 7 years down the road with a 7-10, 8-9, 9-8 maybe 10-7 record with no realistic chance of producing a SB? And I know you will say there's always a chance, but come on.

Sinner 07-16-2024 01:47 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 997555)
Perhaps, but sometimes mediocrity is the highest level attained or attainable. Just because we are in the middle doesn't mean reaching the top is attainable.
Doesn't mean I hate the coach, GM or even certain players. Would you be happy with 5, 6 or 7 years down the road with a 7-10, 8-9, 9-8 maybe 10-7 record with no realistic chance of producing a SB? And I know you will say there's always a chance, but come on.
He has already answered that, a million times since I have been calling for a complete rebuild, back when Drew was in decline and Sean had his eyes on the exit sign. That “woulda shoulda coulda” created a whole new conversation right about now, with fireworks about to be displayed by this season… but here we are.

leilung 07-16-2024 02:21 PM
Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 997555)
Perhaps, but sometimes mediocrity is the highest level attained or attainable. Just because we are in the middle doesn't mean reaching the top is attainable.
Doesn't mean I hate the coach, GM or even certain players. Would you be happy with 5, 6 or 7 years down the road with a 7-10, 8-9, 9-8 maybe 10-7 record with no realistic chance of producing a SB? And I know you will say there's always a chance, but come on.
Another analogy:

You can want with every fiber of your being to date a "10", but that doesn't mean that a "10" is attainable for you. Nice to have, but not realistic... especially when you're a "5" or "6"!

The fact is that you may realistically have a shot at a "7" or "8". So the bigger question remains... are you REALLY going to blow up everything and hold out for that "10" instead of shooting your shot for what you can reasonably expect to get? Or do you wreck shop praying for a miracle?

Discuss.


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