ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

saintsfan1976 · 07-22-2024, 10:09 AM

Carr hasn't performed like a top 10 QB. Why is this an argument?

It's not to say he "can't" or "won't" have a top 10 season in the future, he's just fallen short of expectations including his own I'd have to assume.

K Major · 07-22-2024, 11:16 AM

Mid tier QB most of his career.

And the fourth oldest starter …

mapcow · 07-22-2024, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You have the right to wish for what you wish. I have the right to hope for what I hope. Neither is guaranteed. Repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again every day in every thread makes you far too easy to ignore (not referring to the available function), but is now resulting in many members totally ignoring the forum altogether having become completely exhausted with the constant drivel. You, sir, are full of crap and enjoy sharing it ad nauseum. Just stating fact.

haters gonna hate....

saintsfan1976 · 07-22-2024, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mid tier QB most of his career.

And the fourth oldest starter …

He's the 15th highest paid QB.

Going in, I expected him to perform around that range but that's when I thought Carmichael had a pulse.

With Kubiak coming in, I just want him to execute the offense and avoid turnovers.

BakoSaint · 07-22-2024, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

He's the 15th highest paid QB.

Going in, I expected him to perform around that range but that's when I thought Carmichael had a pulse.

With Kubiak coming in, I just want him to execute the offense and avoid turnovers.

The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.

saintsfan1976 · 07-22-2024, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.

I'm giving Carr another year before I say his contract was a mistake. Pete had one foot out the door. O line was atrocious.

Sinner · 07-22-2024, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.

Salient points.

AsylumGuido · 07-22-2024, 02:41 PM

Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30

Sinner · 07-22-2024, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30

32 on Derek Carr feels like 64.

I’d take Flacco at 38 in a hearbeat.

leilung · 07-22-2024, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30

You have a solid point. No hyperbole, just metrics.

I can hold out one more year with a REAL OC in charge.

07-22-2024, 10:09 AM	#31
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Carr hasn't performed like a top 10 QB. Why is this an argument? It's not to say he "can't" or "won't" have a top 10 season in the future, he's just fallen short of expectations including his own I'd have to assume.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Mid tier QB most of his career. And the fourth oldest starter … saintsfan1976 likes this.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You have the right to wish for what you wish. I have the right to hope for what I hope. Neither is guaranteed. Repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again every day in every thread makes you far too easy to ignore (not referring to the available function), but is now resulting in many members totally ignoring the forum altogether having become completely exhausted with the constant drivel. You, sir, are full of crap and enjoy sharing it ad nauseum. Just stating fact. haters gonna hate....
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 He's the 15th highest paid QB. Going in, I expected him to perform around that range but that's when I thought Carmichael had a pulse. With Kubiak coming in, I just want him to execute the offense and avoid turnovers. The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring. Sinner likes this.
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07-22-2024, 01:45 PM	#36
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by BakoSaint The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring. I'm giving Carr another year before I say his contract was a mistake. Pete had one foot out the door. O line was atrocious. leilung likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by BakoSaint The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring. Salient points.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season. A. Rodgers 40 Joe Flacco 38 Stafford 35 Wilson 35 Cousins 35 Tannehill 35 Tyrod Taylor 35 Geno Smith 33 Jimmy Garoppolo 32 Carr 32 Dak Prescott 30 32 on Derek Carr feels like 64. I’d take Flacco at 38 in a hearbeat. mapcow and K Major like this.
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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did: Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season. A. Rodgers 40 Joe Flacco 38 Stafford 35 Wilson 35 Cousins 35 Tannehill 35 Tyrod Taylor 35 Geno Smith 33 Jimmy Garoppolo 32 Carr 32 Dak Prescott 30 You have a solid point. No hyperbole, just metrics. I can hold out one more year with a REAL OC in charge. WW_Who_Dat and bobdog86 like this.