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ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Carr hasn't performed like a top 10 QB. Why is this an argument? It's not to say he "can't" or "won't" have a top 10 season in the future, he's just fallen short of expectations including his own I'd have ...

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Old 07-22-2024, 10:09 AM   #31
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

Carr hasn't performed like a top 10 QB. Why is this an argument?

It's not to say he "can't" or "won't" have a top 10 season in the future, he's just fallen short of expectations including his own I'd have to assume.
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

Mid tier QB most of his career.

And the fourth oldest starter …
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

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You have the right to wish for what you wish. I have the right to hope for what I hope. Neither is guaranteed. Repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again every day in every thread makes you far too easy to ignore (not referring to the available function), but is now resulting in many members totally ignoring the forum altogether having become completely exhausted with the constant drivel. You, sir, are full of crap and enjoy sharing it ad nauseum. Just stating fact.

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Old 07-22-2024, 12:42 PM   #34
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

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Mid tier QB most of his career.

And the fourth oldest starter …
He's the 15th highest paid QB.

Going in, I expected him to perform around that range but that's when I thought Carmichael had a pulse.

With Kubiak coming in, I just want him to execute the offense and avoid turnovers.
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Old 07-22-2024, 01:27 PM   #35
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

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He's the 15th highest paid QB.

Going in, I expected him to perform around that range but that's when I thought Carmichael had a pulse.

With Kubiak coming in, I just want him to execute the offense and avoid turnovers.
The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.
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The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.
I'm giving Carr another year before I say his contract was a mistake. Pete had one foot out the door. O line was atrocious.
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Old 07-22-2024, 02:12 PM   #37
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The thing is, I don't think anyone gets paid to be the 15th best QB. I think teams pay for someone they hope can be the 5-10th best QB and take a discount for uncertainty. It sounds fine to be the 15th QB in both pay and performance (though Carr was closer to 20 in performance overall last year), like a square deal, but the truth is that there is that the 15th best QB rarely wins it all, and there is not a ton of difference in performance between QB15, QB20, and QB25 while there can be a massive difference in cost. Lets face it, if the Chiefs are paying Mahomes QB10 money, we are paying Carr QB15 money, and the Texans are paying Stroud QB25 money, we ain't coming home with a ring.
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

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Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30
32 on Derek Carr feels like 64.

I’d take Flacco at 38 in a hearbeat.
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Re: ESPN polled dozens of NFL personnel to rank the game’s best quarterbacks, but Derek Carr didn’t receive a single vote. 18 other passers did:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Not sure where the Carr being "fourth oldest starter" came from. All of the following who started multiple games other than Rodgers were as old or older than Carr last season.

A. Rodgers 40
Joe Flacco 38
Stafford 35
Wilson 35
Cousins 35
Tannehill 35
Tyrod Taylor 35
Geno Smith 33
Jimmy Garoppolo 32

Carr 32

Dak Prescott 30
You have a solid point. No hyperbole, just metrics.

I can hold out one more year with a REAL OC in charge.
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