IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE?

mapcow · 08-03-2024, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I jumped all over that 7.5 wins.

how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird.

Sinner · 08-03-2024, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

To be fair, I really can't really form an opinion if Dennis Allen is a good head coach or not. That roster is not very strong or deep, and the salary cap situation isn't going to allow for a quick fix anytime soon. Kubiak is going to bring some very needed changes to the offensive, but with Carr at QB and a shaky o-line, I am not expecting any miracles.

As a fan it is my hope the Saints win 10 plus games and have at least a good playoff run. Realistically, the Saints come into the season with a win expectation of 7.5, if I was forced to bet my life savings I would have to take the under on that. The real question becomes what happens to Dennis Allen either way? Of course if the Saints win 10 he isn't going anywhere. What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

If the last two seasons is any indication, with a GM that says, “We have all the right people in the building”, an Owner who’s partying like it’s 2010, and fans like Quido who are happy to jump all over the Mediocrity Train, possibly for the rest of his life, we’ll see more of the same.

K Major · 08-03-2024, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

Anything short of a post season appearance, L.D. Bell should be fired.

His career HC record is 24-46 (.343).

mapcow · 08-03-2024, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dennis Allen's record against all 32 NFL teams

watch out!

stickman · 08-03-2024, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Dennis Allen's record against all 32 NFL teams

Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

mapcow · 08-03-2024, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

not really. falcons are worse than the Saints... no too impressive to beat the underdog consistently.... AK should know about that

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Sinner · 08-03-2024, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

Yeah no. I definitely don’t sit through lackluster seasons in anticipation of just (possibly) beating the Falcons.

Rugby Saint II · 08-03-2024, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

ouch... Biden whispering to the crowd comes to mind. nasty and creepy.

Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks.

mapcow · 08-03-2024, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks.

just painting a visual... you made it political

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-04-2024, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird.

It's called a tie. A tie is a half win/half loss. You can see it if you look at winning percentage for a season for a team.

The last tie in the NFL was Giants/Commanders in 2022. The Commanders finished 8-8-1 with a even .500 record. The Saints last year were 9-8 with a .529 winning percentage, and the Succs in 2022 were 8-9 with a .471 winning percentage. Since 8-8-1 is bracketed between the two, the tie counts for half a win.

And it's made a difference too. The Steelers in 2021 were 9-7-1. Because of the tie, they took the last playoff spot over the Dolphins and the Colts who both finished 9-8. Those two finished with a .529 winning percentage while the Steelers finish with a .559.

So a team that's 7-9-1 would have 7.5 wins.

SFIAH

08-03-2024, 11:47 AM	#21
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I jumped all over that 7.5 wins. how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird.
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08-03-2024, 11:48 AM	#22
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,948	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by MatthewT To be fair, I really can't really form an opinion if Dennis Allen is a good head coach or not. That roster is not very strong or deep, and the salary cap situation isn't going to allow for a quick fix anytime soon. Kubiak is going to bring some very needed changes to the offensive, but with Carr at QB and a shaky o-line, I am not expecting any miracles. As a fan it is my hope the Saints win 10 plus games and have at least a good playoff run. Realistically, the Saints come into the season with a win expectation of 7.5, if I was forced to bet my life savings I would have to take the under on that. The real question becomes what happens to Dennis Allen either way? Of course if the Saints win 10 he isn't going anywhere. What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired? If the last two seasons is any indication, with a GM that says, “We have all the right people in the building”, an Owner who’s partying like it’s 2010, and fans like Quido who are happy to jump all over the Mediocrity Train, possibly for the rest of his life, we’ll see more of the same. MatthewT likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by MatthewT What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired? Anything short of a post season appearance, L.D. Bell should be fired. His career HC record is 24-46 (.343). MatthewT and Sinner like this.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by K Major Dennis Allen's record against all 32 NFL teams watch out! Sinner likes this.
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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by K Major Dennis Allen's record against all 32 NFL teams Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons? MatthewT likes this.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by stickman Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons? not really. falcons are worse than the Saints... no too impressive to beat the underdog consistently.... AK should know about that. Sinner likes this.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,948	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by stickman Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons? Yeah no. I definitely don’t sit through lackluster seasons in anticipation of just (possibly) beating the Falcons. K Major likes this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by mapcow ouch... Biden whispering to the crowd comes to mind. nasty and creepy. Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks. just painting a visual... you made it political
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08-04-2024, 02:58 AM	#30
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE? Originally Posted by mapcow how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird. It's called a tie. A tie is a half win/half loss. You can see it if you look at winning percentage for a season for a team. The last tie in the NFL was Giants/Commanders in 2022. The Commanders finished 8-8-1 with a even .500 record. The Saints last year were 9-8 with a .529 winning percentage, and the Succs in 2022 were 8-9 with a .471 winning percentage. Since 8-8-1 is bracketed between the two, the tie counts for half a win. And it's made a difference too. The Steelers in 2021 were 9-7-1. Because of the tie, they took the last playoff spot over the Dolphins and the Colts who both finished 9-8. Those two finished with a .529 winning percentage while the Steelers finish with a .559. So a team that's 7-9-1 would have 7.5 wins. SFIAH WW_Who_Dat likes this.
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