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Sinner 08-01-2024 09:20 AM

IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE?
 
D.A. on Taysom Hill: "He's gonna do a lot of stuff. He's gonna run routes from in line, out wide, out of the backfield, he's going to block, he's going to run the ball out of the backfield, I think he's going to do a lot of stuff. He's going to line up at the QUARTERBACK position at some point in time…”

As much as I love watching Taysom Hill whenever and where ever he is on the field, the swiss army knife is being used (and abused) to compensate for shortcomings and inconsistencies in areas that we are simply inable or unwilling to address and solidify. At best, if you want to continue to use him as a “Secret Weapon”, best not to announce it to everyone beforehand, but D.A. will never be mistaken for someone who has read Sun Tzu.

He’s basically telling us that he’s not sure of our identity as a team. And he’s barely smart enough to know that Carr is “Meh”… and that we lack direction and development in the many areas that he is mismanaging. He’s willing to announce that he’ll throw possibly the most passionate and dedicated player to ever wear a Saints uniform under many buses if need be, to compensate for our lack of identity and focus. Taysom Hill is no young spring chicken anymore, and I’d hate to see him get hurt after being used and abused by an absolutely inept excuse for a Head Coach.

mapcow 08-01-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998461)
D.A. on Taysom Hill: "He's gonna do a lot of stuff. He's gonna run routes from in line, out wide, out of the backfield, he's going to block, he's going to run the ball out of the backfield, I think he's going to do a lot of stuff. He's going to line up at the QUARTERBACK position at some point in time…”

As much as I love watching Taysom Hill whenever and where ever he is on the field, the swiss army knife is being used (and abused) to compensate for shortcomings and inconsistencies in areas that we are simply inable or unwilling to address and solidify. At best, if you want to continue to use him as a “Secret Weapon”, best not to announce it to everyone beforehand, but D.A. will never be mistaken for someone who has read Sun Tzu.

He’s basically telling us that he’s not sure of our identity as a team. And he’s barely smart enough to know that Carr is “Meh”… and that we lack direction and development in the many areas that he is mismanaging. He’s willing to announce that he’ll throw possibly the most passionate and dedicated player to ever wear a Saints uniform under many buses if need be, to compensate for our lack of identity and focus. Taysom Hill is no young spring chicken anymore, and I’d hate to see him get hurt after being used and abused by an absolutely inept excuse for a Head Coach.

TRUTH!! :beatnik:

MatthewT 08-01-2024 09:27 AM

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Hill should be nothing more than a 5 touch a game guy when there is contact involved. Yes, Hill can dominate a game but when this is done he becomes very ineffective for long stretches. Kamara is pretty much in the same boat, for him maybe 10 to 15 touch max when contact is involved. Trying to continue using Hill and Kamara to carry the offense is going to make for a very long season.

mapcow 08-01-2024 09:36 AM

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Play calling will be so predictable... just like back in the day when all the Saints did was, big dude right, then big dude left, then maybe pass, then punt.... BORING :beatnik:

saintsfan1976 08-02-2024 12:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998461)
D.A. on Taysom Hill: "He's gonna do a lot of stuff. He's gonna run routes from in line, out wide, out of the backfield, he's going to block, he's going to run the ball out of the backfield, I think he's going to do a lot of stuff. He's going to line up at the QUARTERBACK position at some point in time…”

As much as I love watching Taysom Hill whenever and where ever he is on the field, the swiss army knife is being used (and abused) to compensate for shortcomings and inconsistencies in areas that we are simply inable or unwilling to address and solidify. At best, if you want to continue to use him as a “Secret Weapon”, best not to announce it to everyone beforehand, but D.A. will never be mistaken for someone who has read Sun Tzu.

He’s basically telling us that he’s not sure of our identity as a team. And he’s barely smart enough to know that Carr is “Meh”… and that we lack direction and development in the many areas that he is mismanaging. He’s willing to announce that he’ll throw possibly the most passionate and dedicated player to ever wear a Saints uniform under many buses if need be, to compensate for our lack of identity and focus. Taysom Hill is no young spring chicken anymore, and I’d hate to see him get hurt after being used and abused by an absolutely inept excuse for a Head Coach.

Taysom is a matchup nightmare for some LBs and most CB, Safeties.

Why does having a "jack of all trades" especially when a matchup dictates OR injuries occur, mean the offense doesn't have an identity?

jnormand 08-02-2024 01:55 PM

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I’m pretty sure Hill wants and will take as many snaps as he can get. Regardless of position. He’s a football player. He wants to play. As long as he can produce, allow him the opportunities to produce.

I’m confused why this is an issue of topic. The player wants to play. If he can be a difference maker, it’s a win. Good grief.

papz 08-02-2024 02:36 PM

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I'm going to tell some of you guys a little secret... just don't go telling everyone just yet. We hired a new offensive coordinator this off season.

Sinner 08-02-2024 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 998537)
I'm going to tell some of you guys a little secret... just don't go telling everyone just yet. We hired a new offensive coordinator this off season.

If Kubiak shuffles the cards just favorable enough for us to make .500, and Dennis Allen gets to flex his line lips barely loud enough to keep his job, and Derek Carr gets to be Derek Carr for yet another year, I guess we can blame our mediocrity on injuries again?

Sinner 08-02-2024 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 998533)
Taysom is a matchup nightmare for some LBs and most CB, Safeties.

Why does having a "jack of all trades" especially when a matchup dictates OR injuries occur, mean the offense doesn't have an identity?

Map says, “Play calling will be so predictable... just like back in the day when all the Saints did was, big dude right, then big dude left, then maybe pass, then punt.... BORING.”

Sinner 08-02-2024 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 998536)
I’m pretty sure Hill wants and will take as many snaps as he can get. Regardless of position. He’s a football player. He wants to play. As long as he can produce, allow him the opportunities to produce.

I’m confused why this is an issue of topic. The player wants to play. If he can be a difference maker, it’s a win. Good grief.

Matthew says, “Hill should be nothing more than a 5 touch a game guy when there is contact involved. Yes, Hill can dominate a game but when this is done he becomes very ineffective for long stretches. Kamara is pretty much in the same boat, for him maybe 10 to 15 touch max when contact is involved. Trying to continue using Hill and Kamara to carry the offense is going to make for a very long season.”

Sinner 08-02-2024 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 998533)
Taysom is a matchup nightmare for some LBs and most CB, Safeties.

Why does having a "jack of all trades" especially when a matchup dictates OR injuries occur, mean the offense doesn't have an identity?

Short answer: Dennis Allen. Long answer: from Gayle, to Derek Carr, and all points between.

Rugby Saint II 08-02-2024 05:17 PM

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Yes. He's still here. Kubiak seems to have brought in an Alpha type who is changing the team dynamics. As a loyal fan I'm not going to complain until they make me. Come on. Let's have fun and enjoy the season.

AsylumGuido 08-02-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 998547)
Yes. He's still here. Kubiak seems to have brought in an Alpha type who is changing the team dynamics. As a loyal fan I'm not going to complain until they make me. Come on. Let's have fun and enjoy the season.

Yes, please! Let's do! I know I will. Got the trip all planned for week one versus the Carolina Panties!

Who Dat!


:bng:

Sinner 08-02-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 998547)
Yes. He's still here. Kubiak seems to have brought in an Alpha type who is changing the team dynamics. As a loyal fan I'm not going to complain until they make me. Come on. Let's have fun and enjoy the season.

The thing is, we need Alpha at the position of Head Coach, and QB. DEY AINT.

SmashMouth 08-02-2024 08:31 PM

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Did he coach the HOF game?


mapcow 08-03-2024 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 998557)

:rofl: 1/4 speed game... sorta like watching a 100 meter race run by dudes my age....:beatnik:

mapcow 08-03-2024 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 998537)
I'm going to tell some of you guys a little secret... just don't go telling everyone just yet. We hired a new offensive coordinator this off season.

ouch... Biden whispering to the crowd comes to mind. nasty and creepy. :beatnik:

MatthewT 08-03-2024 08:44 AM

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To be fair, I really can't really form an opinion if Dennis Allen is a good head coach or not. That roster is not very strong or deep, and the salary cap situation isn't going to allow for a quick fix anytime soon. Kubiak is going to bring some very needed changes to the offensive, but with Carr at QB and a shaky o-line, I am not expecting any miracles.

As a fan it is my hope the Saints win 10 plus games and have at least a good playoff run. Realistically, the Saints come into the season with a win expectation of 7.5, if I was forced to bet my life savings I would have to take the under on that. The real question becomes what happens to Dennis Allen either way? Of course if the Saints win 10 he isn't going anywhere. What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

K Major 08-03-2024 09:38 AM

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Dennis Allen's record against all 32 NFL teams

AsylumGuido 08-03-2024 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 998567)
To be fair, I really can't really form an opinion if Dennis Allen is a good head coach or not. That roster is not very strong or deep, and the salary cap situation isn't going to allow for a quick fix anytime soon. Kubiak is going to bring some very needed changes to the offensive, but with Carr at QB and a shaky o-line, I am not expecting any miracles.

As a fan it is my hope the Saints win 10 plus games and have at least a good playoff run. Realistically, the Saints come into the season with a win expectation of 7.5, if I was forced to bet my life savings I would have to take the under on that. The real question becomes what happens to Dennis Allen either way? Of course if the Saints win 10 he isn't going anywhere. What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

I jumped all over that 7.5 wins.

mapcow 08-03-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 998569)
I jumped all over that 7.5 wins.

how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird. :beatnik:

Sinner 08-03-2024 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 998567)
To be fair, I really can't really form an opinion if Dennis Allen is a good head coach or not. That roster is not very strong or deep, and the salary cap situation isn't going to allow for a quick fix anytime soon. Kubiak is going to bring some very needed changes to the offensive, but with Carr at QB and a shaky o-line, I am not expecting any miracles.

As a fan it is my hope the Saints win 10 plus games and have at least a good playoff run. Realistically, the Saints come into the season with a win expectation of 7.5, if I was forced to bet my life savings I would have to take the under on that. The real question becomes what happens to Dennis Allen either way? Of course if the Saints win 10 he isn't going anywhere. What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

If the last two seasons is any indication, with a GM that says, “We have all the right people in the building”, an Owner who’s partying like it’s 2010, and fans like Quido who are happy to jump all over the Mediocrity Train, possibly for the rest of his life, we’ll see more of the same.

K Major 08-03-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 998567)
What about 8 or 9 wins, or what happens if it's 5, 6 or 7 wins, does he keep his job or gets fired?

Anything short of a post season appearance, L.D. Bell should be fired.

His career HC record is 24-46 (.343).

mapcow 08-03-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 998568)

:nono2: watch out! :beatnik:

stickman 08-03-2024 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 998568)

Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

mapcow 08-03-2024 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 998575)
Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

not really. falcons are worse than the Saints... no too impressive to beat the underdog consistently.... AK should know about that;). :beatnik:

Sinner 08-03-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 998575)
Anyone else really enjoy the fact that despite his horrible overall record, he has a winning record against the Falcons?

Yeah no. I definitely don’t sit through lackluster seasons in anticipation of just (possibly) beating the Falcons.

Rugby Saint II 08-03-2024 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 998564)
ouch... Biden whispering to the crowd comes to mind. nasty and creepy. :beatnik:

Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks.

mapcow 08-03-2024 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 998589)
Please, let's not bring politics in here. We have a message board for that. Thanks.

just painting a visual... you made it political :beatnik:

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-04-2024 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 998570)
how do you win .5 game. that still equates to a loss. weird. :beatnik:

It's called a tie. A tie is a half win/half loss. You can see it if you look at winning percentage for a season for a team.

The last tie in the NFL was Giants/Commanders in 2022. The Commanders finished 8-8-1 with a even .500 record. The Saints last year were 9-8 with a .529 winning percentage, and the Succs in 2022 were 8-9 with a .471 winning percentage. Since 8-8-1 is bracketed between the two, the tie counts for half a win.

And it's made a difference too. The Steelers in 2021 were 9-7-1. Because of the tie, they took the last playoff spot over the Dolphins and the Colts who both finished 9-8. Those two finished with a .529 winning percentage while the Steelers finish with a .559.

So a team that's 7-9-1 would have 7.5 wins.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II 08-07-2024 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998571)
If the last two seasons is any indication, with a GM that says, “We have all the right people in the building”, an Owner who’s partying like it’s 2010, and fans like Quido who are happy to jump all over the Mediocrity Train, possibly for the rest of his life, we’ll see more of the same.

Please stop saying Quido. It's so third grade. Personally, I respect you but the name calling seems beneath a man of your broad intellect.

Rugby Saint II 08-07-2024 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 998590)
just painting a visual... you made it political :beatnik:

I apologize if I brought politics into the conversation. My apologies mate.

Sinner 08-07-2024 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 998751)
Please stop saying Quido. It's so third grade. Personally, I respect you but the name calling seems beneath a man of your broad intellect.

I was referring to a certain type of Saints Fan, and his name epitomizes it, but I will do my best to work around it.

SmashMouth 08-22-2024 12:35 AM

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K Major 08-22-2024 07:30 AM

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“Worst team of all time” is a stretch. Not a Cowherd fan either.

Long, difficult road ahead though. We’ll see.

AsylumGuido 08-22-2024 07:50 AM

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Cowturd is a blowhard at best. This team is at worst better than what we fielded last season that went 9-8. I stopped listening when the guy said Cowturd called us the worst team of all time. Shows you how full of crap the moron (Cowturd) is.

:dunce:

Sinner 08-22-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 999645)
Cowturd is a blowhard at best. This team is at worst better than what we fielded last season that went 9-8. I stopped listening when the guy said Cowturd called us the worst team of all time. Shows you how full of crap the moron (Cowturd) is.

:dunce:

Is Dennis Allen still here? If the answer is still YES, we AINT goin nowhere. Period.

bobdog86 08-22-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 998461)
D.A. on Taysom Hill: "He's gonna do a lot of stuff. He's gonna run routes from in line, out wide, out of the backfield, he's going to block, he's going to run the ball out of the backfield, I think he's going to do a lot of stuff. He's going to line up at the QUARTERBACK position at some point in time…”

As much as I love watching Taysom Hill whenever and where ever he is on the field, the swiss army knife is being used (and abused) to compensate for shortcomings and inconsistencies in areas that we are simply inable or unwilling to address and solidify. At best, if you want to continue to use him as a “Secret Weapon”, best not to announce it to everyone beforehand, but D.A. will never be mistaken for someone who has read Sun Tzu.

He’s basically telling us that he’s not sure of our identity as a team. And he’s barely smart enough to know that Carr is “Meh”… and that we lack direction and development in the many areas that he is mismanaging. He’s willing to announce that he’ll throw possibly the most passionate and dedicated player to ever wear a Saints uniform under many buses if need be, to compensate for our lack of identity and focus. Taysom Hill is no young spring chicken anymore, and I’d hate to see him get hurt after being used and abused by an absolutely inept excuse for a Head Coach.

Agree. Sometimes it's best to just shut up rather than spout ignorance that shows your intelligence or lack thereof.


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