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turbo_dog 08-10-2024 10:55 PM

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Let's be real. Carr is the starter and there is no changing that, barring injury. Now if the team offense sputters the first three weeks, QB controversy begins.

BakoSaint 08-10-2024 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 999012)
Let's be real. Carr is the starter and there is no changing that, barring injury. Now if the team offense sputters the first three weeks, QB controversy begins.

Yeah I agree Carr is the starter.

If he struggles too much, and the team decided to move on, I could see a mid to late season benching to avoid the risk of an injury guaranteeing his 2025 salary.

Also, if he struggles for a few games, gets a medium injury and misses a significant chunk of games, and then is ready to come back later in the season, I could see us deciding to keep him on the bench either if his replacement is playing well or if we are out of contention and dont want to risk an injury guaranteeing his salary.

Sinner 08-10-2024 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 999012)
Let's be real. Carr is the starter and there is no changing that, barring injury. Now if the team offense sputters the first three weeks, QB controversy begins.

We can be real. But it’s really wrong.

Boston Saint 08-10-2024 11:38 PM

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Kicking games and punting units look good on paper.

Rell&Gold 08-11-2024 02:06 AM

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Sampson looked nice with his few opportunities. Kolker looked real nice. Alot of people won't agree with thus but I say trade Adebo keep Marshon Start #1 that's just my opinion though

SmashMouth 08-11-2024 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 999007)
If Derek Carr were to sustain an injury that he could not recover from by 3/17/2025, ie an ACL or something along those lines, I believe his 2025 $30 million salary would become fully guaranteed (a $10 million roster bonus is already guaranteed). If the Saints decided to move on from Carr at some point, they would probably bench him for the rest of the season.

But if the Saints play the combination of Carr and Penning at any point this season, Carr could be our $40 million man coming off an ACL at 34yo in 2025.

If Pretty Boy Haener or Bayou Rattler take over at some point, their rookie salaries opens an opportunity to move Carr, even if there is some residual Carr cap $.

BakoSaint 08-11-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 999021)
If Pretty Boy Haener or Bayou Rattler take over at some point, their rookie salaries opens an opportunity to move Carr, even if there is some residual Carr cap $.

We would probably have to cut Carr. If Carr were injured on 3/17/25 he could not be cut. A team would be hesistant to trade for Carr and play him in 2025 because he is due a $10 million roster bonus that is guaranteed and a $30 million salary that guaranteed on 3/17/25. Carr is only marketable if he is playing like he is worth $40 million. The scenario where we can trade Carr is something like the Carson Wentz season where he plays MVP caliber football, gets hurt, and our backup wins the Super Bowl. I am not sure our oline can play its role in that script.

voodooido 08-11-2024 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 998999)
Yep. Poised & composed.

Haener wasn’t bad but Spencer looks solid out of the gate.

You have to remember, he is playing against guys who will be bagging our groceries in a couple weeks.

K Major 08-11-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 999041)
You have to remember, he is playing against guys who will be bagging our groceries in a couple weeks.

Rattler is a legit NFL QB prospect with the tools.

He made the most of the opportunity regardless of who he faced. We couldn't say that with Ian Book :rolleyes:.

With his skill set, he'll likely surpass Haener and in a year probably compete for Carr's job.

For where he was drafted, terrific value.

AsylumGuido 08-11-2024 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 999041)
You have to remember, he is playing against guys who will be bagging our groceries in a couple weeks.

This is the absolute truth. I'd expect that Rattler is the first one in next week instead of Haener. We may not see Carr at all. Here's hoping he keeps looking smooth and takes over that backup spot and actually has a chance at the starting gig in 2025 if he proves to be a decent replacement for Carr.


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