'24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions

Boston Saint · 08-30-2024, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB.

While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far….

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

SmashMouth · 08-30-2024, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far….

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years
It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) .

Boston Saint · 08-30-2024, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years
It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) .

Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading.

And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement.

Sinner · 08-30-2024, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading.

And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement.

Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others?

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2024, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others?

Don't you ever get tired of trying to prove to everyone how badly you think we suck?

Sinner · 08-30-2024, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Don't you ever get tired of trying to prove to everyone how badly you think we suck?

No. I get tired of seeing us $uck not badly enough to make the necessary changes, but badly enough to not make the playoffs… AGAIN.

BUT as a fan, I’ll never get tired of demanding that the BLACK AND GOLD strive for excellence, and that they DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to win a championship ASAP. We have simply been irrelevant for way too long.

Boston Saint · 08-30-2024, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others?

So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that.

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2024, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that.

Yup. In fact, 24 QB's had as many or more interceptions than Carr's eight. Only Stroud and Pickett had a lower interception rate Than Carr's 1.5%. He was 10th in total passing TD's (25). He was 6th in completion percentage (68.4%). Twenty-two QB's (including Stroud) lost more fumbles than Carr's three.

You're correct, Boston. Nobody in their right mind could think that Carr was anything close to a turnover machine. Quite the opposite. There's only one or two that protected the ball as well as did Carr last year.

Sinner · 08-30-2024, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that.

No. I am not trying to argue about that. Not at all.

Carr is Raider Curbside Trash, and Dennis Allen is a DUD. I don’t need to argue that point, because they prove it themselves.

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2024, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

No. I am not trying to argue about that. Not at all.

Carr is Raider Curbside Trash, and Dennis Allen is a DUD. I don’t need to argue that point, because they prove it themselves.

Your opinion. Fine. I simply don't agree. You've been spewing your hatred toward the two of them before Carr ever took a snap and Allen ever coached his first game for the Saints. And it is hatred. That is clear and obvious and you cannot hide it.

08-30-2024, 08:04 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB. While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far…. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years jnormand and saintsfan1976 like this.

08-30-2024, 08:10 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,900 Blog Entries: 29	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far…. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) . jnormand, Sinner and K Major like this.

08-30-2024, 08:23 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by SmashMouth If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) . Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading. And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-30-2024, 08:55 AM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading. And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement. Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others? SmashMouth likes this.
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08-30-2024, 10:23 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Sinner Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others? Don't you ever get tired of trying to prove to everyone how badly you think we suck?

08-30-2024, 11:17 AM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Don't you ever get tired of trying to prove to everyone how badly you think we suck? No. I get tired of seeing us $uck not badly enough to make the necessary changes, but badly enough to not make the playoffs… AGAIN. BUT as a fan, I’ll never get tired of demanding that the BLACK AND GOLD strive for excellence, and that they DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to win a championship ASAP. We have simply been irrelevant for way too long. mapcow likes this.
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08-30-2024, 10:28 AM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Sinner Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others? So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that. jnormand, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

08-30-2024, 10:49 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that. Yup. In fact, 24 QB's had as many or more interceptions than Carr's eight. Only Stroud and Pickett had a lower interception rate Than Carr's 1.5%. He was 10th in total passing TD's (25). He was 6th in completion percentage (68.4%). Twenty-two QB's (including Stroud) lost more fumbles than Carr's three. You're correct, Boston. Nobody in their right mind could think that Carr was anything close to a turnover machine. Quite the opposite. There's only one or two that protected the ball as well as did Carr last year.
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08-30-2024, 11:20 AM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,071	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint So you are trying to argue that Carr WAS a Turnover Machine last year. Good Luck with that. No. I am not trying to argue about that. Not at all. Carr is Raider Curbside Trash, and Dennis Allen is a DUD. I don’t need to argue that point, because they prove it themselves. K Major likes this.
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08-30-2024, 11:47 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Sinner No. I am not trying to argue about that. Not at all. Carr is Raider Curbside Trash, and Dennis Allen is a DUD. I don’t need to argue that point, because they prove it themselves. Your opinion. Fine. I simply don't agree. You've been spewing your hatred toward the two of them before Carr ever took a snap and Allen ever coached his first game for the Saints. And it is hatred. That is clear and obvious and you cannot hide it.