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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Man I’m still just shocked. This team is getting more and more confident. It’s great to see. And like someone said before, Penning has been good. The whole line has been good. 2-0 with 91 points! Wow! Awesome!!...

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Man I’m still just shocked. This team is getting more and more confident. It’s great to see.

And like someone said before, Penning has been good. The whole line has been good.

2-0 with 91 points! Wow! Awesome!!
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This is the most surprisingly positive Saints game in my memory.

If there was any way to keep Kubiak we should but I am not sure there is, unless Allen suddenly wants to spend more time with his family. I could see a bidding war between Dallas and Denver for Kubiak this offseason. Hopefully we can find some other protege to run his system.

Maybe Derek Carr has been waiting his whole career for the right offensive system?

We are very good at drafting and finding the right secondary. If we are so great without Lattimore, and Lattimore keeps missing games, Lattimore could be a post-June-1 cut. Maybe we need to give Adebo a big deal? Or maybe we go the Patriots model and don't keep every expensive corner because we know how to find value at the position and find new stars, and we trade Adebo for a 1st rounder or something.

If this continues our problem will be who we can afford to keep. In that equation I think you keep the QB and the young players and dont get into too much money for too long term on the older players. But if too many of the younger players are too great you can't keep them all and sometimes you have to do a trade.

I have always said that rebuilding does not mean surrendering and losing. It brings youth, urgency, and accountability. People have called this a soft rebuild. I was generally happy with Loomis's moves this offseason more than any recent offseason but feared we would blow it at the last minute by signing Simmons, trading for Aiyuk, signing Back-to-Ir-i, giving Kamara $20 million before he proved anything in the new offense, etc. Ultimately I think this season is showing that moving on from veterans that don't produce and not bringing in every banged up veteran, but developing from within and having accountability, can actually lead to more wins. I predicted us doing similar to the last two years despite a lot less spending, and it looks like we will do better, but it shows that with less spending better is still very possible. Also we did not trade up in the first round. We did not pick some long term project at a position where we already had depth. We mostly picked at our spots for positions we needed or saw players ready to play.

How well we are doing is very unexpected to me. I still think it is reasonable that I did not expect this. Do any of you expect Foskey to be dominating Trent Williams and Penei Sewell next year? Well that is essentially what happened today with Penning shutting down Parsons. Its an unlikely thing that could happen. Probably Foskey is a bust, but perhaps he continues to develop, it clicks, and next year we adopt a new rushing scheme that allows him to get 4 sacks on Williams after getting pancaked by Saldiveri 3 plays in a row in camp. In 5 years as a head coach Dennis Allen has never to my knowledge beat a team as good as Dallas. But in year 6 here he goes. Klint Kubiaks resume as an assistant is a mixed back of highs and lows, a bit of journeyman, but he is young, and suddenly this year he is producing much better results than Kyle Shannahan did his first year as OC and as HC. He was the best option we had for OC, but I think it was reasonable to not feel any results were guaranteed especially seeing nothing in preseason. I am not sure Derek Carr has ever been so excellent two games in a row. And for all this to work we also needed a rookie Tackle to not be a liability. In my view what has happened is a series of unlikely things have all come together, while we have also changed some long term habits to our benefit as far holding players accountable, making some cuts, and not signing a revolving door of bargain veterans. I did not see this happening, but we also did accomplish it by having an offseason much more like what I would want.
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I know Fuaga was playing somewhat hurt today but the man already looks above average at the LT position. A large man that plays lights out.

Serve me up a large bowl of crow on TREVOR PENNING. Heck, add some tabasco hot sauce on it. He’s impressed the hell out of me last 3 weeks.

I think Dougie Marrone was holding him back.

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This is the most surprisingly positive Saints game in my memory.

If there was any way to keep Kubiak we should but I am not sure there is, unless Allen suddenly wants to spend more time with his family. I could see a bidding war between Dallas and Denver for Kubiak this offseason. Hopefully we can find some other protege to run his system.

Maybe Derek Carr has been waiting his whole career for the right offensive system?

We are very good at drafting and finding the right secondary. If we are so great without Lattimore, and Lattimore keeps missing games, Lattimore could be a post-June-1 cut. Maybe we need to give Adebo a big deal? Or maybe we go the Patriots model and don't keep every expensive corner because we know how to find value at the position and find new stars, and we trade Adebo for a 1st rounder or something.

If this continues our problem will be who we can afford to keep. In that equation I think you keep the QB and the young players and dont get into too much money for too long term on the older players. But if too many of the younger players are too great you can't keep them all and sometimes you have to do a trade.

I have always said that rebuilding does not mean surrendering and losing. It brings youth, urgency, and accountability. People have called this a soft rebuild. I was generally happy with Loomis's moves this offseason more than any recent offseason but feared we would blow it at the last minute by signing Simmons, trading for Aiyuk, signing Back-to-Ir-i, giving Kamara $20 million before he proved anything in the new offense, etc. Ultimately I think this season is showing that moving on from veterans that don't produce and not bringing in every banged up veteran, but developing from within and having accountability, can actually lead to more wins. I predicted us doing similar to the last two years despite a lot less spending, and it looks like we will do better, but it shows that with less spending better is still very possible. Also we did not trade up in the first round. We did not pick some long term project at a position where we already had depth. We mostly picked at our spots for positions we needed or saw players ready to play.

How well we are doing is very unexpected to me. I still think it is reasonable that I did not expect this. Do any of you expect Foskey to be dominating Trent Williams and Penei Sewell next year? Well that is essentially what happened today with Penning shutting down Parsons. Its an unlikely thing that could happen. Probably Foskey is a bust, but perhaps he continues to develop, it clicks, and next year we adopt a new rushing scheme that allows him to get 4 sacks on Williams after getting pancaked by Saldiveri 3 plays in a row in camp. In 5 years as a head coach Dennis Allen has never to my knowledge beat a team as good as Dallas. But in year 6 here he goes. Klint Kubiaks resume as an assistant is a mixed back of highs and lows, a bit of journeyman, but he is young, and suddenly this year he is producing much better results than Kyle Shannahan did his first year as OC and as HC. He was the best option we had for OC, but I think it was reasonable to not feel any results were guaranteed especially seeing nothing in preseason. I am not sure Derek Carr has ever been so excellent two games in a row. And for all this to work we also needed a rookie Tackle to not be a liability. In my view what has happened is a series of unlikely things have all come together, while we have also changed some long term habits to our benefit as far holding players accountable, making some cuts, and not signing a revolving door of bargain veterans. I did not see this happening, but we also did accomplish it by having an offseason much more like what I would want.

There is probably NO ONE (definitely not on this forum) that is more surprised, amazed actually, than me, about what we are seeing from this team (especially in game 2 on the road against a decent Cowboy team). So good to be excited about watching EXCELLENT WINNING FOOTBALL from guys dressed in BLACK AND GOLD again!
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