Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta

09-29-2024, 06:00 PM

Unpopular opinion but this is more on roster than coaching. The oline is poor and has no depth. The offense has 2 receivers, 1 rb, a 34 year old wildcard who has to be TE1, RB2, WR3 but cant hold up to the punishment. We have an offense built for mauling weapons with only one mauler. Meanwhile on defense some of our best players are our oldest, as are some of our worst. Cam Jordan is being paid $14 million for 17 celebrity appearances like Garth Brooks at spring training. I dont think Andy Reid, Kyle Shannhan, or Sean McVay could do much more with this roster. For years we did Tinder drafting where we swiped right on the edge rusher who looked the part and were done for the night. Now its costing us in depth.

I think we have a good DC, a good OC, a decent QB. But we lose in the trenches and we hired a mauling OC to run an offense with finesse personnel and no money to retool. The fact that we have 2 wins and 2 close losses against playoff caiber teams is actually impressive on coaching. But the injury situation wont improve with this older softer roster picking fist fights.

mapcow · 09-29-2024, 06:06 PM

tackling sucked big time....

hitta · 09-29-2024, 06:09 PM

I really don't know where to point the finger. I'm still processing this; it was a weird game. A thought comes to mind that has been coming to my mind a lot over the last few years, though... Allen is a great by-the-book coach. He knows all his Ps and Qs(the technical stuff). Still, I feel as though he lacks creative spark. He also lacks the ability to inspire. He'll always be a good coordinator in this league; I'm just not sure he's made to be a HC.

That's really the only thing I have to offer right now.

SmashMouth · 09-29-2024, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Spotting a team 14 points at this level is hard to overcome.

Adebo is a penalty magnet late in games (3 thus far) & his PI cost us. I wish the NFL would do away with those PI spot fouls. I'd like to see Kool-Aid play more.

Not enough pressure on Kirk. He was back there baking cookies. Saints defense held the offense to 12 points all game. Most teams finish the deal with those types of defensive stats.

Rasheed's muff (gave up 6), Carr's pick (gave up 6) & Adedo's bad penalty were big factors in the loss. The coaching was not good enough.

Taysom, Mathieu, Demario, Cam Jordan are long in the tooth & our depth is poor.

Dennis Allen's team doesn't know how to close.

We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ?

Sinner · 09-29-2024, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ?

Nope.

BakoSaint · 09-29-2024, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ?

A thing can be very powerful and very fragile. The deathstar in star wars could wipe out planets but if one part went down the whole thing exploded. Our offense is like the death star but with a lot more weak points. Our greatest strength is two elite deep threats, our greatest weakness is our oline. Without adequate blocking our deep threats make zero impct. But even at full strength our oline cant block well enough to give them time without everything else firing on all cylinders, like taysom who is 34 years old and can no longer take the punishment playing enforcer and kamara who has never been an every down back leading a fierce rushing attack. They are needed to amplify the fully healthy oline to make it adequate to protect carr long enough to activate the deep threats which makes the running game work more. We have minimal depth at every offensive position and everything has to work to make our offenses greatest strength even a factor at all.

Meanwhile our defense is meant to play from ahead. We have one of the best secondaries and at least an ok pass rush. But none of our defensive tackles are very good, teams can run up the middle on us. And many leaders of our defense are older players who wear down by the 4th quarter and cant keep up a close game.

bobdog86 · 09-29-2024, 07:41 PM

Listening to the game on Sirius, I can only base my takes from Deuce’s call of the game. Aside from the injuries, it sounded as though we were sloppy, especially on D, in tackling, in coverage, yaddee yaddee. Turnovers obviously sucked but we just weren’t very good in just about every facet today.

Sinner · 09-29-2024, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Listening to the game on Sirius, I can only base my takes from Deuce’s call of the game. Aside from the injuries, it sounded as though we were sloppy, especially on D, in tackling, in coverage, yaddee yaddee. Turnovers obviously sucked but we just weren’t very good in just about every facet today.

We need a new Head Coach.

K Major · 09-29-2024, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

I wish Cam Jordan still played for us. We could have used his pass rush today.

I think he’s about done. We saw hints of it last season.

It happens to all of the greats.

mapcow · 09-29-2024, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

We need a new Head Coach.

I concur.... When Allen's old man was displayed and discussed on the tube, i gathered a more respectful opinion of the son; thinking he should know football. Well... that thought went to the crapper, much like this game did.

09-29-2024, 06:00 PM	#11
Threaded by BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,171 Rating: (0 votes - average) Unpopular opinion but this is more on roster than coaching. The oline is poor and has no depth. The offense has 2 receivers, 1 rb, a 34 year old wildcard who has to be TE1, RB2, WR3 but cant hold up to the punishment. We have an offense built for mauling weapons with only one mauler. Meanwhile on defense some of our best players are our oldest, as are some of our worst. Cam Jordan is being paid $14 million for 17 celebrity appearances like Garth Brooks at spring training. I dont think Andy Reid, Kyle Shannhan, or Sean McVay could do much more with this roster. For years we did Tinder drafting where we swiped right on the edge rusher who looked the part and were done for the night. Now its costing us in depth. I think we have a good DC, a good OC, a decent QB. But we lose in the trenches and we hired a mauling OC to run an offense with finesse personnel and no money to retool. The fact that we have 2 wins and 2 close losses against playoff caiber teams is actually impressive on coaching. But the injury situation wont improve with this older softer roster picking fist fights. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.
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09-29-2024, 06:06 PM	#12
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,792	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta tackling sucked big time....
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09-29-2024, 06:09 PM	#13
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta I really don't know where to point the finger. I'm still processing this; it was a weird game. A thought comes to mind that has been coming to my mind a lot over the last few years, though... Allen is a great by-the-book coach. He knows all his Ps and Qs(the technical stuff). Still, I feel as though he lacks creative spark. He also lacks the ability to inspire. He'll always be a good coordinator in this league; I'm just not sure he's made to be a HC. That's really the only thing I have to offer right now. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-29-2024, 06:18 PM	#14
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,197 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by K Major Spotting a team 14 points at this level is hard to overcome. Adebo is a penalty magnet late in games (3 thus far) & his PI cost us. I wish the NFL would do away with those PI spot fouls. I'd like to see Kool-Aid play more. Not enough pressure on Kirk. He was back there baking cookies. Saints defense held the offense to 12 points all game. Most teams finish the deal with those types of defensive stats. Rasheed's muff (gave up 6), Carr's pick (gave up 6) & Adedo's bad penalty were big factors in the loss. The coaching was not good enough. Taysom, Mathieu, Demario, Cam Jordan are long in the tooth & our depth is poor. Dennis Allen's team doesn't know how to close. We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ? jnormand likes this.

09-29-2024, 06:20 PM	#15
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,948	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by SmashMouth We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ? Nope. mapcow likes this.
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09-29-2024, 07:40 PM	#16
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,171	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by SmashMouth We went from scoring 40 burgers to spotting a team two touchdowns ... It can't be just injuries , can it ? A thing can be very powerful and very fragile. The deathstar in star wars could wipe out planets but if one part went down the whole thing exploded. Our offense is like the death star but with a lot more weak points. Our greatest strength is two elite deep threats, our greatest weakness is our oline. Without adequate blocking our deep threats make zero impct. But even at full strength our oline cant block well enough to give them time without everything else firing on all cylinders, like taysom who is 34 years old and can no longer take the punishment playing enforcer and kamara who has never been an every down back leading a fierce rushing attack. They are needed to amplify the fully healthy oline to make it adequate to protect carr long enough to activate the deep threats which makes the running game work more. We have minimal depth at every offensive position and everything has to work to make our offenses greatest strength even a factor at all. Meanwhile our defense is meant to play from ahead. We have one of the best secondaries and at least an ok pass rush. But none of our defensive tackles are very good, teams can run up the middle on us. And many leaders of our defense are older players who wear down by the 4th quarter and cant keep up a close game.
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09-29-2024, 07:41 PM	#17
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,414	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Listening to the game on Sirius, I can only base my takes from Deuce’s call of the game. Aside from the injuries, it sounded as though we were sloppy, especially on D, in tackling, in coverage, yaddee yaddee. Turnovers obviously sucked but we just weren’t very good in just about every facet today.

09-29-2024, 07:48 PM	#18
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,948	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by bobdog86 Listening to the game on Sirius, I can only base my takes from Deuce’s call of the game. Aside from the injuries, it sounded as though we were sloppy, especially on D, in tackling, in coverage, yaddee yaddee. Turnovers obviously sucked but we just weren’t very good in just about every facet today. We need a new Head Coach.
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09-29-2024, 07:52 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by cmike I wish Cam Jordan still played for us. We could have used his pass rush today. I think he’s about done. We saw hints of it last season. It happens to all of the greats.

09-29-2024, 08:20 PM	#20
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,792	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Atlanta Originally Posted by Sinner We need a new Head Coach. I concur.... When Allen's old man was displayed and discussed on the tube, i gathered a more respectful opinion of the son; thinking he should know football. Well... that thought went to the crapper, much like this game did.
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