Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs

10-08-2024, 09:38 AM

As others have already stated .. it starts with the O line.

It's why the Saints have lost 3 straight. Outside of McCoy, not a lot of talent (Fuaga is promising) or players I trust. But mainly injuries and the lack of quality depth have removed all continuity and rhythm we had.

Carr isn't mobile enough & gets happy feet when pressured.

4 centers in 5 weeks ?! You have almost no shot at this level.

SmashMouth · 10-08-2024, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

As others have already stated .. it starts with the O line.

It's why the Saints have lost 3 straight. Outside of McCoy, not a lot of talent (Fuaga is promising) or players I trust. But mainly injuries and the lack of quality depth have removed all continuity and rhythm we had.

Carr isn't mobile enough & gets happy feet when pressured.

4 centers in 5 weeks ?! You have almost no shot at this level.

Was the OL at fault here?

Sinner · 10-08-2024, 10:33 AM

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Danno · 10-08-2024, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Was the OL at fault here?

https://twitter.com/MattMoscona/stat...47673917190164

My guess is it was a major factor. Carr had zero time to throw. His mistake was throwing it up for grabs.

Sinner · 10-08-2024, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

My guess is it was a major factor. Carr had zero time to throw. His mistake was throwing it up for grabs.

A competent QB who has zero time, DOES NOT make that mistake.

keithday123 · 10-08-2024, 11:03 AM

This is our QB and coach for rest of year. No chance Allen moves on from Carr with his job on the line. Only way we see Rattler is if mid season coaching change made or Carr and Haener both are injured.

BakoSaint · 10-08-2024, 11:54 AM

Another thing to consider is that the injuries at center have been so devistating and Carr’s performance before them was so excellent because we took the job of calling protections off of Carr and put them on the center, so he could just focus on playing QB. Oline are more frequently injured or cast away and have shorter careers than QBs and QBs get paid more, so all things being equal having the QB call protections would give more stability and experience, especially a highly paid veteran QB like Carr. But despire a salary that will balloon from $30m this year to $40m next year and $50m in 2026, Carr could not handle it. And thus with any injury to McCoy our offense was vulnerable. But Carr did perform better with McCoy doing his homework for him. But then again, its also possible that having all those coverages on his mind distracted McCoy just enough or took just enough preparation time away from hiw conditioning to instead study film to get him smashed up by Jalen Carter. In the end, if our scheme is designed to require less capability from the QB, why are we paying so much for a QB, and why arent we spending more on a deeper more capable oline?

Sinner · 10-08-2024, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Another thing to consider is that the injuries at center have been so devistating and Carr’s performance before them was so excellent because we took the job of calling protections off of Carr and put them on the center, so he could just focus on playing QB. Oline are more frequently injured or cast away and have shorter careers than QBs and QBs get paid more, so all things being equal having the QB call protections would give more stability and experience, especially a highly paid veteran QB like Carr. But despire a salary that will balloon from $30m this year to $40m next year and $50m in 2026, Carr could not handle it. And thus with any injury to McCoy our offense was vulnerable. But Carr did perform better with McCoy doing his homework for him. But then again, its also possible that having all those coverages on his mind distracted McCoy just enough or took just enough preparation time away from hiw conditioning to instead study film to get him smashed up by Jalen Carter. In the end, if our scheme is designed to require less capability from the QB, why are we paying so much for a QB, and why arent we spending more on a deeper more capable oline?

BAD MANAGEMENT. It runs deep here.

bobdog86 · 10-08-2024, 12:44 PM

Carr is a thoroughbred QB, a nice clean pocket, nice lanes, nice routes he does as well as anyone if not most. Punch him in the nose, pressure up front, uncomfortable, he is way below average. Many other (top tier) QB's can move around, take a punch in the nose, overcome and adapt to the situation are the successful QB's. Unfortunately, he is only a thoroughbred.

CheramieIII · 10-08-2024, 01:03 PM

I’ve purposely stayed off for the first 5 weeks because I wanted to give the optimist a chance! Derek Carr and Dennis Allen need to go! They’ve never won together! They’re comfortable with each other, but that doesn’t win games! I really think we’re in for a long season if changes are not made! Leave Kubiak at OC and hire a new HC and DC! We need a field stretching TE and upgrade the offensive line! We could use a couple of above average WR’s and a good RB! We don’t need Adams! He’ll just be comfortable with the coaching staff like Carr and won’t produce! We need a good kicker too! Start Rattler now so we can analyze his production the rest of the year! If he does great then we’re ahead of the game for next season, if not we draft our future QB! We need draft picks! I see us at 7-10 and no playoffs again! I hope I’m wrong, but I’m being realistic here!

10-08-2024, 09:38 AM	#21
Threaded by K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,853 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) As others have already stated .. it starts with the O line. It's why the Saints have lost 3 straight. Outside of McCoy, not a lot of talent (Fuaga is promising) or players I trust. But mainly injuries and the lack of quality depth have removed all continuity and rhythm we had. Carr isn't mobile enough & gets happy feet when pressured. 4 centers in 5 weeks ?! You have almost no shot at this level.
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10-08-2024, 10:22 AM	#22
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,063 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Originally Posted by K Major As others have already stated .. it starts with the O line. It's why the Saints have lost 3 straight. Outside of McCoy, not a lot of talent (Fuaga is promising) or players I trust. But mainly injuries and the lack of quality depth have removed all continuity and rhythm we had. Carr isn't mobile enough & gets happy feet when pressured. 4 centers in 5 weeks ?! You have almost no shot at this level. Was the OL at fault here? Twitter

10-08-2024, 10:33 AM	#23
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10-08-2024, 10:46 AM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Originally Posted by SmashMouth Was the OL at fault here? https://twitter.com/MattMoscona/stat...47673917190164 My guess is it was a major factor. Carr had zero time to throw. His mistake was throwing it up for grabs.

10-08-2024, 10:55 AM	#25
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Originally Posted by Danno My guess is it was a major factor. Carr had zero time to throw. His mistake was throwing it up for grabs. A competent QB who has zero time, DOES NOT make that mistake. SmashMouth likes this.
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10-08-2024, 11:03 AM	#26
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs This is our QB and coach for rest of year. No chance Allen moves on from Carr with his job on the line. Only way we see Rattler is if mid season coaching change made or Carr and Haener both are injured.
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10-08-2024, 11:54 AM	#27
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,432	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Another thing to consider is that the injuries at center have been so devistating and Carr’s performance before them was so excellent because we took the job of calling protections off of Carr and put them on the center, so he could just focus on playing QB. Oline are more frequently injured or cast away and have shorter careers than QBs and QBs get paid more, so all things being equal having the QB call protections would give more stability and experience, especially a highly paid veteran QB like Carr. But despire a salary that will balloon from $30m this year to $40m next year and $50m in 2026, Carr could not handle it. And thus with any injury to McCoy our offense was vulnerable. But Carr did perform better with McCoy doing his homework for him. But then again, its also possible that having all those coverages on his mind distracted McCoy just enough or took just enough preparation time away from hiw conditioning to instead study film to get him smashed up by Jalen Carter. In the end, if our scheme is designed to require less capability from the QB, why are we paying so much for a QB, and why arent we spending more on a deeper more capable oline? SmashMouth and Sinner like this.
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10-08-2024, 12:14 PM	#28
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Originally Posted by BakoSaint Another thing to consider is that the injuries at center have been so devistating and Carr’s performance before them was so excellent because we took the job of calling protections off of Carr and put them on the center, so he could just focus on playing QB. Oline are more frequently injured or cast away and have shorter careers than QBs and QBs get paid more, so all things being equal having the QB call protections would give more stability and experience, especially a highly paid veteran QB like Carr. But despire a salary that will balloon from $30m this year to $40m next year and $50m in 2026, Carr could not handle it. And thus with any injury to McCoy our offense was vulnerable. But Carr did perform better with McCoy doing his homework for him. But then again, its also possible that having all those coverages on his mind distracted McCoy just enough or took just enough preparation time away from hiw conditioning to instead study film to get him smashed up by Jalen Carter. In the end, if our scheme is designed to require less capability from the QB, why are we paying so much for a QB, and why arent we spending more on a deeper more capable oline? BAD MANAGEMENT. It runs deep here.
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10-08-2024, 12:44 PM	#29
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs Carr is a thoroughbred QB, a nice clean pocket, nice lanes, nice routes he does as well as anyone if not most. Punch him in the nose, pressure up front, uncomfortable, he is way below average. Many other (top tier) QB's can move around, take a punch in the nose, overcome and adapt to the situation are the successful QB's. Unfortunately, he is only a thoroughbred.

10-08-2024, 01:03 PM	#30
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Chiefs I’ve purposely stayed off for the first 5 weeks because I wanted to give the optimist a chance! Derek Carr and Dennis Allen need to go! They’ve never won together! They’re comfortable with each other, but that doesn’t win games! I really think we’re in for a long season if changes are not made! Leave Kubiak at OC and hire a new HC and DC! We need a field stretching TE and upgrade the offensive line! We could use a couple of above average WR’s and a good RB! We don’t need Adams! He’ll just be comfortable with the coaching staff like Carr and won’t produce! We need a good kicker too! Start Rattler now so we can analyze his production the rest of the year! If he does great then we’re ahead of the game for next season, if not we draft our future QB! We need draft picks! I see us at 7-10 and no playoffs again! I hope I’m wrong, but I’m being realistic here! jnormand and Sinner like this.
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