Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship"

TheOak · 10-21-2024, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...c42c85874&ei=9

Apparently, Kamara had a quick discussion with Payton after the game and expressed his desire to GTFO of New Orleans.

I wonder what we could get for him, if anything?

I have a somewhat different question but is also an extension of the answer. What will we do with what we get for him? Why does he want to leave and what can be done to address that problem?

I ask because if it is a systemic issue and left unresolved, it can and will impact future Saints players as well the ability of the organization to attract talent.

Assume you fond a magical way to get Derrick Henry under contract... Why would he want to stay or would he be begging off the ship as well?

BakoSaint · 10-21-2024, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I have a somewhat different question but is also an extension of the answer. What will we do with what we get for him? Why does he want to leave and what can be done to address that problem?

I ask because if it is a systemic issue and left unresolved, it can and will impact future Saints players as well the ability of the organization to attract talent.

Assume you fond a magical way to get Derrick Henry under contract... Why would he want to stay or would he be begging off the ship as well?

The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc.

The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us.

In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins.

Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision.

TheOak · 10-22-2024, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc.

The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us.

In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins.

Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision.

Would probably be more efficient to ask what I meant than to refute a non existent point. How a team handles a player at the end of their career never crossed my mind. Systemic can be a number of things and they all impact where a player wants to go or stay, especially someone later in their career like Kamara.

- Pay is not systemic. That's business.
- Not extending certain contracts is not systemic. That's business
- Organizations (system) chances at a Super Bowl ring is systemic.
- Coaching staff (system) and their ability to coach is systemic.
- Medical staff (system) and their ability to keep someone healthy is. Think maybe he is looking at himself, the triage list, and wanting some longevity? Even we have questioned the ability if the medical team. Remember Delvin Breaux at all? Kamara was on the team Delvin had his problems.

To be honest, I am not entire sure you know what you are replying to.

10-21-2024, 08:40 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Danno https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...c42c85874&ei=9 Apparently, Kamara had a quick discussion with Payton after the game and expressed his desire to GTFO of New Orleans. I wonder what we could get for him, if anything? I have a somewhat different question but is also an extension of the answer. What will we do with what we get for him? Why does he want to leave and what can be done to address that problem? I ask because if it is a systemic issue and left unresolved, it can and will impact future Saints players as well the ability of the organization to attract talent. Assume you fond a magical way to get Derrick Henry under contract... Why would he want to stay or would he be begging off the ship as well? jnormand, Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.

10-21-2024, 09:46 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by TheOak I have a somewhat different question but is also an extension of the answer. What will we do with what we get for him? Why does he want to leave and what can be done to address that problem? I ask because if it is a systemic issue and left unresolved, it can and will impact future Saints players as well the ability of the organization to attract talent. Assume you fond a magical way to get Derrick Henry under contract... Why would he want to stay or would he be begging off the ship as well? The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc. The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us. In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins. Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision. neugey likes this.
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10-22-2024, 08:50 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by BakoSaint The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc. The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us. In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins. Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision. Would probably be more efficient to ask what I meant than to refute a non existent point. How a team handles a player at the end of their career never crossed my mind. Systemic can be a number of things and they all impact where a player wants to go or stay, especially someone later in their career like Kamara. - Pay is not systemic. That's business. - Not extending certain contracts is not systemic. That's business - Organizations (system) chances at a Super Bowl ring is systemic. - Coaching staff (system) and their ability to coach is systemic. - Medical staff (system) and their ability to keep someone healthy is. Think maybe he is looking at himself, the triage list, and wanting some longevity? Even we have questioned the ability if the medical team. Remember Delvin Breaux at all? Kamara was on the team Delvin had his problems. To be honest, I am not entire sure you know what you are replying to.
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