Saints Season
 

It's poll time, boys and girls!
Considering where the Saints sit currently, would you rather the team lose out for better draft picks and thus get rid of Allen and maybe even Loomis or win out and hope to make a splash in the playoffs?

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No poll necessary. Loomis stays. Allen stays. We lose. Rinse. Repeat.

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Okay. A non-response response.

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What part of my response was a non response?

We win out, Loomis and Allen stay.
We lose out, Loomis and Allen stay.

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Win out ... but that seems about as likely as Diddy's innocence.

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I would rather we win 10 consecutive games but also consider it virtually impossible that we could win 10 consecutive games. If we won 10 consecutive games clearly we would be super bowl contenders. This would likely require some miraculous crap that I dont see happening, like 10 sacks from Foskey and Haener becoming the next Brock Purdy while Holker, not Bowers, is the consensus top rookie TE.

Also I would not want to say no to winning out, because Loomis and Allen's plan crashing tomorrow is one of the most realistic ways that happens.

In a more realistic comparison I would rather we finish 3-7 and get Loomis and DA fired with a 5-12 record than finish 7-3 by some amazing luck and sneak into the playoff at 9-8 and have at best the 2023 Bucs playoff run where we might win a game if we catch a team off guard but cannot seriously contend.

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Easy for me. If the Saints win out after this disastrous 2-5 start, the team and coaches deserve my respect.

Reality is, we’ll be lucky to win a couple more. And DA gets deservingly fired.

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When given the choice, I always want my team to win.

I get the consequences of the team having a bad season, (new coach, better draft pick, etc.) but I can't root for them to fail. It's not in me.

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Saints will only win 1 more game.... maybe. Chiefs just as decimated with injuries, but still undefeated. :beatnik:

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Point being, unfortunately we keep the same cast of characters either way. Win or Lose. I personally wish we win out.

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a quick death is preferable to a slow agonizing fade. Oh well.... maybe next year... LMFAO :beatnik:

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The painfully sad part, is it WILL NOT be next year. We are basically looking at exactly what we should have addressed three years ago, and we AINT addressing it this year. So…

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I don't ever want to lose a game. Ever! However, I am willing to lose games if it means cleaning house and bringing in head coach who actually understands how to win.

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I WANT us to win out because that means another Superbowl title.


Reality though??? Roger Goodell will make sure we finish between 6-9 wins with a little surge near the end of the season to keep the fans engaged. SCREW HIM. I'm not buying his screwjob or his merch.


It'll also means another mid 1st draft pick that won't make a big difference on the team and another year plus of past-their-prime players at a premium and the Dennis Allen Ah Shucks We Sucks show...

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I want us to TRY to win out. That way we learn POSSIBLY more about individual players, their capacity to play, their mentality for the game.

It is impossible to WANT a defeat, at any time.

I know /assume there could be consequences if we lose out, but it AINT gonna be what I think many are hoping. The only benefit is to get decent draft picks.

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It does appear that the NFL has their thumb on the scales in determining the outcomes of games and ultimately the season. Before the Rams went back to L.A. a few years ago Goodell made it clear that he wanted that team to succeed (there's a lot of money in L.A. of course) and it's apparent that the NFL is making sure that the Rams win games.
And now that the NFL is constantly peddling gambling sites you know that the league is shadier than ever and it will only get worse.

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Spoken like a real fan. :bng:

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The minute you start wanting your (supposed) team to lose you have ceased being a fan. You may still think you are a fan, but you are lying to yourself. Actively hoping your (supposed) team loses any individual game is contrary to fandom. It even gets worse if you want your (supposed) team to lose to somehow "prove you are right." To actively celebrate the team's loss is the lowest attitude and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you truly do not care about your (supposed) team.

My opinion on the subject.

:bng:

:D ;)

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At least you are admitting that it is your OPINION. We’re making progress.
The Saints… not so much. 😜

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If I was a Lakers fan I would want Bronny James to have a better rookie year than his father and go on to score more points in his career. I want us to win out, but I feel its less likely. Dennis Allen is like a coaching version of Bronny James, only got a shot because Sean Payton is his daddy and insisted on it, but obviously doesnt have the skills to compete at this level.

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Obviously.

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Roger Goodell doesn't need to screw us. This team is doing enough on it's own to wreck the season.

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Honestly, there's not another team in the league that would do much better having lost as many key players as we've had to deal with this season. Backups are backups for a reason. They simply are not as talented as starters. There will be isolated exceptions. A team may be able to cover a hole or two at some positions, but other positions are simply not deep enough across the entire league to provide that sort of depth. QB and offensive line are way up at the top of that position list. We've basically had to dip into the very bottom of the depth pool to field those positions. We've fielded 12 different offensive linemen with 11 having taken a sizable number snaps including four different at center.

People say that injuries are not an excuse for losing. I agree with that. If a team was performing bad before injuries struck they would be being used as an excuse. But, injuries are absolutely a reason behind losing. When a team loses a sizable number of their top performers due to injury, which the Saints have experienced, it is undoubtedly a major reason behind the team's overall performance. The two blowout wins over NFL teams in the first two games of the season shows they were not a bad team at all.

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The two blowout wins were against REALLY BAD teams. We’re just BAD.

… And we need a new Head Coach.

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I agree that injuries can be a reason for poor performance. For example, possibly DA and Loomis were dropped as babies, or their moms fell down the stairs when pregnant, and they had blood to the brain, and sustained a fair degree of mental retardation.

As for the Saints, all backups are not created equally. Many teams backups are proven commodities they were able to sign to reasonable contracts because they managed their money carefully, or recent middle round picks with promising attributes that could develop into starters. For the Saints, that is not the casing. The Saints go all in on trading up to the first round for a few select mega-projects and spending all their cash to keep aging veteran starters so they can all have a proper 5 year retirement send off, while trading away most of their mid round picks and less most of their solid backups walk away in free agency because Cam and Kamara's kids need to eat. Our depth and backups are the worst in the league, and worse than that, we started the season with 2 backups starting on our oline. Penning and Patrick are the type of guys who would come off the bench for other teams, and though they have performed admirably for us, we would have been much better off if we had 5 solid starters and then guys like that to come in when they got hurt.

Backups who are solid proven steady backups, or who are mid round picks with true potential, compared to backups who are old or journeyman dumped by other teams due to injury concerns or undrafted, are likely to both perform better if given the opportunity, and likely to stay healthier. Good insurance costs money and draft picks, and the Saints have instead opted for the most heavily discounted insurance available.

The Chiefs have had many injuries and are undefeated. The Packers have many and are 5-2. The Saints are a joke.

There is also a reason the Saints have many injuries on offense. We switched offensive systems to a drastically different offense without the the cash or financial flexibility to bring in players suited to the system. A 34yo Taysom Hill is supposed to play the role of a much larger and 3 years younger George Kittle. Chris Olave and Rasheed Shaheed, two speed/finesse receivers, are supposed to play the role of the much more physical and taller and heavier Samuel and Aiyuk who are both over 200 pounds to their 180's. Alvin Kamara is supposed to go from years of lower workload to an every down power back. And there is no depth behind any of them. It should be no surprise they have all been injured.

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You are trying to make an excuse for injuries. Besides, Taysom is playing the role of a 6'1" 235 Kyle Juszczyk, not Kittle.

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My excuse for injuries is the coach, GM, medical staff, trainers, and roster. If we bring in new leadership from the top and drain the swamp in Metairie, all will be well.

While Hill is listed as a TE and Juice as a FB, when you look at the actual stats, Hill has far more touches per game than Juice, but primarily as a rusher, while Juice almost never rushes and is used more as a receiver. Juice has only averaged slightly over 1 rushing attempt per game one season in his career, and has averaged 1-3 targets per game over his career. Hill has averaged up to 5 rushing attempts and/or 3 targets per game depending on the season. While Juice is actually closer to Kittle in being primarily used for receiving not rushing, Hill is much closer to Kittle in touches per game, and what he is asked to do running through people with the ball much more often.

Its obvious that Hill cannot sustain the hits he has to take in this offense.

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You are clearly making too much sense.

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I'm just watching games at this point with zero expectations. However, I do want something to change. Be it Mickey and DA gone, or just DA. I don't know. I also don't know how much Gayle cares the way Tom did. I know the daughter was exiled for I can't even remember what.

Anyway, I don't know. I just want something different.

One thing I can promise you is, you will not see any Documentaries in the next 15-20 years about how awesome of a Head Coach Dennis Allen was.

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O noticed Mr positive needed over a week away before trying to spin the record. Does that work with Vgeas when they gladly take your money? Can you just say nonsense and not pay?

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The way you talk no one can. You just seem to ***** about everything just for the sake of *****ing.

:rolleyes:

Once again, enjoy the game. I pitty the fans sitting around you however.

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Nah. We are $ucking - again. And again… and again.
No matter how nicely you talk about the fact, it just sounds like b*tching and moaning.

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By the way, smartass, I left the country for a cruise with no access for a week after we drove from Nola to Galveston on Friday morning after the Thursday night game we attended. Better than your sorry ass spending weeks or months away until you can celebrate losses. :rolleyes: What a frickin' loser.

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Cruise ships dont have internet now, amazing. You can't lie, douche, most of us have been on cruises.

Weeks to months waiting for a loss, think it was 3 days between losses recently.

Might want to stop spending your wife's money on cruises since you're going to be giving a large chunk to Vegas. You slop.

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Welcome home. Keep that Merkens jersey handy, to wipe the tears on your rose colored glasses today.

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DA and Loomis should be the ones going on a cruise asap.

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You're posting here while at the game? Geez, dude. Get a frickin' life. Or did you bail on the team?

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The TEAM bailed on the team… again. I’ve been telling you for two and a half years. You still don’t get it?

GAYLE bailed.

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Yeah bc noooooobody has phones at games. I am up in the cheap seats with fam. Anyway if DA can build a duplo set and eat a jar of play doh while coaching, I can post this.