Maybe I just have a different philosophy. If my car is old, has too many miles on it, the engine sounds like crap, and it keeps breaking down and costing more than its worth to fix, I want to go get a new different car. I don't worry that with the new car I will be in the same position of hoping it doesn't break down, or that trading in my old car will be a betrayal. I think its a good time to start fresh. Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allens brains are like Ryan Ramczyks knees, its time to put them out to pasture. Maybe he could see a neurologist and we could call it a medical retirement. 'Supporting' Ram's knees ain't going to do **** to to make them not have arthritis. 'Supporting' Dennis Allen's slow broken mind as a head coach won't make him a winner. At this point taking old yeller out behind the woodshed is the most supportive thing we can do. Fire him!

I can see both of your points. As a fan you hate to bail on your team and want to support them at every turn, win or lose. But I also see the other side that it’s the fans who have to help accelerate change by not attending games and the owners seeing half empty stadiums. Yes they’ve got there money but these billionaires have something more valuable than money and that’s ego and fear of not being successful. I just happened to be in the Sinner camp on this one that changes have to be made in every area, but Guido I admire you for hanging in there.

Maybe the car for you is a brand new Kansas City Chief? Or do you like the styling of a classic Dallas Cowboy instead? This is an NFL franchise that has been an important part of my life since 1967. Not a ****ing car.

I support MY team regardless of the factors involved. I want them to win, but if they don't I don't care for them any less.

Clearly, I haven’t bailed, and if I haven’t bailed by now, I’ll never bail on THE SAINTS. But I am not contracted to wave pompoms like a zombie, when there’s a pile of dogsh*t on the field, week after week after week after week after week after week after week (that’s seven weeks), not counting the last two seasons before this one.

Injuries are a league-wide phenomenon. Upper management using them as a human shield to protect our low-life coach is exclusive to the Saints.

Sorry. I don’t mean to implicate that you have bailed as a fan, and neither have I. Meant that we are both just ready for change and aren’t going to continue to believe this group is gonna bring us the change we want. Bail was wrong choice of words.

Have we been out of it this early since 2005? I don’t seem to remember ever being done this early

10-7 should still make the playoffs. I'll be supporting my Saints wholeheartedly through the final snap of the season.

Dude come on. You can’t seriously be making excuses for this pathetic product. It’s horrible. Carolina is awful. The Saints should be a better team even with some holes.

They’re now on a 7 game losing streak.