Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury

K Major · 11-07-2024, 08:02 AM

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Wow. This is why Loomis need to go too.

Makes you wonder how many others placed on IR maybe shouldn't have been over the years.

TheOak · 11-07-2024, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

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Wow. This is why Loomis need to go too.

Makes you wonder how many others placed on IR maybe shouldn't have been over the years.

Remember my reply about Kamara asking Payton to 'get him out of New Orleans', and players feeling like they are not being taken care of.

Big_L · 11-07-2024, 09:45 AM

Allen was being an ass toward Miller. Glad Allen was fired. Miller was looking good too the few runs he made.

K Major · 11-07-2024, 09:48 AM

Shades of Jimmy Graham (4 week stretch of healthy inactive), Jameis Winston & more recently A.T. Perry (hand).

Sounds like once you were in Dennis Allen's dog house, you stayed there.

iceshack149 · 11-07-2024, 09:52 AM

Players weren't warming up before practices?

Changes In New Orleans: New Saints Interim Head Coach Details What's Different

An 'activation' period has been changed to the beginning of practice, which essentially is a warmup period for the players and a chance for them to get some sweat in before working. They'll work alongside the sports science and strength staff. Rizzi headed this up and this will hopefully cut down on soft tissue injuries.

https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/news/c...ls-differences

K Major · 11-07-2024, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Players weren't warming up before practices?

Timestamp starting around 10:27 Darren explains how he will conduct things vs how Allen handled his.

Interim Head Coach Darren Rizzi on changes made so far, Chris Olave and more - YouTube

AsylumGuido · 11-07-2024, 01:01 PM

rezburna · 11-07-2024, 01:16 PM

Damn…Allen was ass.

BakoSaint · 11-07-2024, 01:41 PM

Dennis Allen is not a good coach, and I believe our medical staff has mishandled the actual treatment of injuries in the past, but I am skeptical that somewhat punitively placing a constantly injured player on IR is Allen's worst offense. The way things have gone, had Miller played this week, he might have had 5 carries, then got injured again, and meanwhile he is using up a roster space. I think that even a good coach might sometimes hold out a player with constant injuries a little longer to send a message that they need to do whatever it takes to be more available, and that with their marginal value on the field they should not be taking up a constant roster space in order to be available a quarter or two every 2-3 weeks.

AsylumGuido · 11-07-2024, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Dennis Allen is not a good coach, and I believe our medical staff has mishandled the actual treatment of injuries in the past, but I am skeptical that somewhat punitively placing a constantly injured player on IR is Allen's worst offense. The way things have gone, had Miller played this week, he might have had 5 carries, then got injured again, and meanwhile he is using up a roster space. I think that even a good coach might sometimes hold out a player with constant injuries a little longer to send a message that they need to do whatever it takes to be more available, and that with their marginal value on the field they should not be taking up a constant roster space in order to be available a quarter or two every 2-3 weeks.

I suppose that is one opinion.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,615 Blog Entries: 3	Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Full story Wow. This is why Loomis need to go too. Makes you wonder how many others placed on IR maybe shouldn't have been over the years.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,024	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Originally Posted by K Major Full story Wow. This is why Loomis need to go too. Makes you wonder how many others placed on IR maybe shouldn't have been over the years. Remember my reply about Kamara asking Payton to 'get him out of New Orleans', and players feeling like they are not being taken care of. saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.

11-07-2024, 09:45 AM	#3
Big_L Registered Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 36	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Allen was being an ass toward Miller. Glad Allen was fired. Miller was looking good too the few runs he made.
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11-07-2024, 09:48 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,615 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Shades of Jimmy Graham (4 week stretch of healthy inactive), Jameis Winston & more recently A.T. Perry (hand). Sounds like once you were in Dennis Allen's dog house, you stayed there.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,247 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Players weren't warming up before practices? Changes In New Orleans: New Saints Interim Head Coach Details What's Different An 'activation' period has been changed to the beginning of practice, which essentially is a warmup period for the players and a chance for them to get some sweat in before working. They'll work alongside the sports science and strength staff. Rizzi headed this up and this will hopefully cut down on soft tissue injuries. https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/news/c...ls-differences K Major likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,129	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Dennis Allen is not a good coach, and I believe our medical staff has mishandled the actual treatment of injuries in the past, but I am skeptical that somewhat punitively placing a constantly injured player on IR is Allen's worst offense. The way things have gone, had Miller played this week, he might have had 5 carries, then got injured again, and meanwhile he is using up a roster space. I think that even a good coach might sometimes hold out a player with constant injuries a little longer to send a message that they need to do whatever it takes to be more available, and that with their marginal value on the field they should not be taking up a constant roster space in order to be available a quarter or two every 2-3 weeks.
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11-07-2024, 01:59 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,134	Re: Sources: Fired coach Allen mishandled Miller’s injury Originally Posted by BakoSaint Dennis Allen is not a good coach, and I believe our medical staff has mishandled the actual treatment of injuries in the past, but I am skeptical that somewhat punitively placing a constantly injured player on IR is Allen's worst offense. The way things have gone, had Miller played this week, he might have had 5 carries, then got injured again, and meanwhile he is using up a roster space. I think that even a good coach might sometimes hold out a player with constant injuries a little longer to send a message that they need to do whatever it takes to be more available, and that with their marginal value on the field they should not be taking up a constant roster space in order to be available a quarter or two every 2-3 weeks. I suppose that is one opinion.