Turning Attention to the Draft

AsylumGuido · 02-17-2025, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

What a coincidence that concussions were not tracked before Carr joined the league, and since Carr joined the league the lowest number of concussions were in the year that Carr missed the most games.

I would consider Penning and Ruiz to be a swing and a miss, or at best a ground out that advances one runner when trailing by multiple runs late in the game. Penning and Ruiz has started games but they have varied from well below average to average at best. Penning was not graded as one of the best 64 offensive tackles in his best year. Ruiz peaked in 2022 I believe and settled in this year as the #38 guard this year where #32.5 would be the league average starter.

With a first round pick you are looking for players to reach the level of above average starter while still on their rookie contracts. Neither have reached above average starter, Ruiz is already past his rookie contract, and Penning is well below average with only one year left on his rookie contract and the Saints cannot reasonably elect his 5th year option for $17.5 million at this level of play. In the unlikely event that either of these players ever develop into above average starters, the Saints would gain little advantage from drafting them, because it would happen after they are past their rookie contracts, and paying market rate. If the Saints goal is to develop lineman who struggle early so that they become assets during their second contracts, we don't need to use draft picks to accomplish that, we could just sign disappointing draft picks as free agents and develop them from there while spending the picks elsewhere.

Yeah. It's obvious that Carr was responsible for the vast majority of concussions in the league over the past ten years.

K Major · 02-18-2025, 10:34 AM

Armand Membou - OT
Missouri

Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players.

Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher.

GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round)

saintsfan1976 · 02-18-2025, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armand Membou - OT
Missouri

Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players.

Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher.

GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round)

Love this guy! I get him every time in round 3 mock drafts

K Major · 02-19-2025, 02:09 PM

Mike Green - DE
Marshall

“The Saints ranked third to last in yards allowed last season, so they have to improve on that side of the ball. New head coach Kellen Moore saw the impact a dominant pass rush can have on a squad during his time with the Eagles. New Orleans selects Green, a very polished and productive rusher.”

AsylumGuido · 02-19-2025, 04:51 PM

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turbo_dog · 02-20-2025, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armand Membou - OT
Missouri

Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players.

Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher.

GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round)

I believe he plays right tackle, which would fit nicely. I saw a mock draft from someone on NFL.com putting him in the top 15 picks.

turbo_dog · 02-20-2025, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mike Green - DE
Marshall

“The Saints ranked third to last in yards allowed last season, so they have to improve on that side of the ball. New head coach Kellen Moore saw the impact a dominant pass rush can have on a squad during his time with the Eagles. New Orleans selects Green, a very polished and productive rusher.”

I'm afraid this would be a mistake. We're all guessing on these players, but he reminds me so much of Davenport. I just think we need to stick with players who produced against top programs in the first round.

We have seen the small school first round picks become disappointments with the Saints.

Marcus Davenport - UTSA
Peyton Turner - Houston
Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa

Big school guys could under perform as well, but why repeat the same things that have failed?

K Major · 02-20-2025, 08:45 AM

Mykel Williams EDGE
Georgia

“The Saints need a lot of help on the defensive line at this point, and if Michigan's Mason Graham were available, he'd be the easy call for New Orleans at No. 9 overall. But that isn't likely to be the case, as I see him going fifth to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
As such, with the ninth overall pick, I see the Saints going with Georgia edge rusher Mykel Williams, who was a two-time Second-Team All-SEC selection with the Bulldogs”.

turbo_dog · 02-20-2025, 08:48 AM

Here's another guy that may be there in the 3rd or beyond that could step in as a starter immediately, at least in my opinion.

Chris Paul, Jr. - Ole Miss - LB

Christopher Paul Jr. transferred from Arkansas to Ole Miss for his final collegiate season after three productive years with the Razorbacks. During his Arkansas tenure, he compiled 137 tackles (68 solo), 15.0 TFL, and 6.0 sacks across 28 games, earning Second-Team Freshman All-American honors in 2022 and a spot on the 2023 Butkus Award watch list.

At Ole Miss, the 6'1", 235-pound linebacker elevated his performance, recording 72 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and four pass breakups through 10 games as a defensive cornerstone. His presence helped transform the Rebels' defense into one of the SEC's top units, particularly excelling in coverage where he limited receivers to 5.9 yards per reception.

https://youtu.be/VbkdeKcJTgg?si=GcxIT1NEaprd6k0c

K Major · 02-20-2025, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I'm afraid this would be a mistake. We're all guessing on these players, but he reminds me so much of Davenport. I just think we need to stick with players who produced against top programs in the first round.

We have seen the small school first round picks become disappointments with the Saints.

Marcus Davenport - UTSA
Peyton Turner - Houston
Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa

Big school guys could under perform as well, but why repeat the same things that have failed?

Jeff Ireland’s name doesn’t get mentioned enough on these questionable high 1st rd picks over the years.

02-17-2025, 03:10 PM	#71
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by BakoSaint What a coincidence that concussions were not tracked before Carr joined the league, and since Carr joined the league the lowest number of concussions were in the year that Carr missed the most games. I would consider Penning and Ruiz to be a swing and a miss, or at best a ground out that advances one runner when trailing by multiple runs late in the game. Penning and Ruiz has started games but they have varied from well below average to average at best. Penning was not graded as one of the best 64 offensive tackles in his best year. Ruiz peaked in 2022 I believe and settled in this year as the #38 guard this year where #32.5 would be the league average starter. With a first round pick you are looking for players to reach the level of above average starter while still on their rookie contracts. Neither have reached above average starter, Ruiz is already past his rookie contract, and Penning is well below average with only one year left on his rookie contract and the Saints cannot reasonably elect his 5th year option for $17.5 million at this level of play. In the unlikely event that either of these players ever develop into above average starters, the Saints would gain little advantage from drafting them, because it would happen after they are past their rookie contracts, and paying market rate. If the Saints goal is to develop lineman who struggle early so that they become assets during their second contracts, we don't need to use draft picks to accomplish that, we could just sign disappointing draft picks as free agents and develop them from there while spending the picks elsewhere. Yeah. It's obvious that Carr was responsible for the vast majority of concussions in the league over the past ten years. BakoSaint likes this.

02-18-2025, 10:34 AM	#72
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,735 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Armand Membou - OT Missouri Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players. Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher. GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round) Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-18-2025, 10:37 AM	#73
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major Armand Membou - OT Missouri Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players. Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher. GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round) Love this guy! I get him every time in round 3 mock drafts K Major likes this.

02-19-2025, 02:09 PM	#74
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,735 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Mike Green - DE Marshall “The Saints ranked third to last in yards allowed last season, so they have to improve on that side of the ball. New head coach Kellen Moore saw the impact a dominant pass rush can have on a squad during his time with the Eagles. New Orleans selects Green, a very polished and productive rusher.” bobdog86 likes this.

02-19-2025, 04:51 PM	#75
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Twitter neugey and SmashMouth like this.

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02-20-2025, 08:13 AM	#76
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major Armand Membou - OT Missouri Brings serious pop on initial contact with powerful independent hand strikes - regularly stuns defenders and can anchor against bull rushes despite giving up height to most edge players. Overall, Membou is a young prospect who is a loose, explosive mover with a dense, powerful build, good length, and a rugged demeanor that allows him to match up on an island in pass protection and deliver body blows as a finisher. GRADE: 7.9 (Potential Impact Player — 2nd Round) I believe he plays right tackle, which would fit nicely. I saw a mock draft from someone on NFL.com putting him in the top 15 picks. K Major likes this.

02-20-2025, 08:28 AM	#77
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major Mike Green - DE Marshall “The Saints ranked third to last in yards allowed last season, so they have to improve on that side of the ball. New head coach Kellen Moore saw the impact a dominant pass rush can have on a squad during his time with the Eagles. New Orleans selects Green, a very polished and productive rusher.” I'm afraid this would be a mistake. We're all guessing on these players, but he reminds me so much of Davenport. I just think we need to stick with players who produced against top programs in the first round. We have seen the small school first round picks become disappointments with the Saints. Marcus Davenport - UTSA Peyton Turner - Houston Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa Big school guys could under perform as well, but why repeat the same things that have failed? Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-20-2025, 08:45 AM	#78
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,735 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Mykel Williams EDGE Georgia “The Saints need a lot of help on the defensive line at this point, and if Michigan's Mason Graham were available, he'd be the easy call for New Orleans at No. 9 overall. But that isn't likely to be the case, as I see him going fifth to the Jacksonville Jaguars. As such, with the ninth overall pick, I see the Saints going with Georgia edge rusher Mykel Williams, who was a two-time Second-Team All-SEC selection with the Bulldogs”.

02-20-2025, 08:48 AM	#79
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Here's another guy that may be there in the 3rd or beyond that could step in as a starter immediately, at least in my opinion. Chris Paul, Jr. - Ole Miss - LB Christopher Paul Jr. transferred from Arkansas to Ole Miss for his final collegiate season after three productive years with the Razorbacks. During his Arkansas tenure, he compiled 137 tackles (68 solo), 15.0 TFL, and 6.0 sacks across 28 games, earning Second-Team Freshman All-American honors in 2022 and a spot on the 2023 Butkus Award watch list. At Ole Miss, the 6'1", 235-pound linebacker elevated his performance, recording 72 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and four pass breakups through 10 games as a defensive cornerstone. His presence helped transform the Rebels' defense into one of the SEC's top units, particularly excelling in coverage where he limited receivers to 5.9 yards per reception. https://youtu.be/VbkdeKcJTgg?si=GcxIT1NEaprd6k0c Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-20-2025, 08:51 AM	#80
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,735 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by turbo_dog I'm afraid this would be a mistake. We're all guessing on these players, but he reminds me so much of Davenport. I just think we need to stick with players who produced against top programs in the first round. We have seen the small school first round picks become disappointments with the Saints. Marcus Davenport - UTSA Peyton Turner - Houston Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa Big school guys could under perform as well, but why repeat the same things that have failed? Jeff Ireland’s name doesn’t get mentioned enough on these questionable high 1st rd picks over the years. Rugby Saint II likes this.