CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

BakoSaint · 02-28-2025, 11:21 AM

I wish I could take every division championship banner we have, eat only at mexican food buffets for a week, go on antibiotics, use the banners as toilet paper, and then burn them. Winning a weak division is a weak goal. We are competing in a beauty contest open only to garbage collectors and bragging about how 2 years ago we got 2nd place.

I don't care if there are only 5-10 QBs in the league that are way better than Carr. There are many QBs in the league who are young enough to become way better. Carr had peaked and is starting to break down. The play he double-injured himself on against the Giants was the lowest IQ play in the league last year. Rattler may be high risk but he has a higher ceiling. A 2026 draft pick like Manning or Nussmeir would have a higher ceiling. A young QB who never quite reaches Carr's peak, but gets close while making only $2 million a year, would give our team a higher ceiling.

I don't want to win the NFC South and get embaressed in the playoffs. Been there done that. I would refuse any division championship banner representing single digit wins, because it would be celebrating mediocrity. We need a culture of excellence. Derek Carr is not excellent. He isn't a leader. He is Matt Ryan 2.0. Derek Carr is karma's curse on our fanbase for reveling in the suffering of all Falcons fans during the Matt Ryan era.

Finally Atlanta tired of Matt Ryan. They did not have a better option in place but they moved on anyway. Turns out that Ryan did not exactly win rings when he left. Now they have options at least, though I think Penix will get hurt. Why do we have to relive the Matt Ryan era with Derek Carr. The only smart thing the Falcons ever did was get rid of Matt Ryan, and we need to move on from his clone.

Sinner · 02-28-2025, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Oh, I get it. I just know it is what it is and I make the best of it, as I do everything. It's all in how you choose to look at things. If somehow another Drew Brees or Tom Brady walked onto the scene I'd be volunteering to help load Carr's moving van, but that's not happening.

I want exactly what Kellen Moore wants, to put the best viable option out on the field today and that is Carr given what we currently have on our roster today. I would dance with joy if we were to draft a QB that turns out to be starter quality and could take over in 2026.

What you are wanting and *****ing about is something that is not available. It's you that does not get that.

Gonna be (another) lonnnnnng season. See you here! 😉⚜️😜

iceshack149 · 02-28-2025, 01:25 PM

Honestly, there is a long time between here and the beginning of the season. So much is going to change with the draft and free agency.

Sinner · 02-28-2025, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Honestly, there is a long time between here and the beginning of the season. So much is going to change with the draft and free agency.

With Carr still at the helm, there will be pain.

Mr.Riaton · 02-28-2025, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Well I do like that Kellen has publicly stated they want to contend for the division. And kudos to Mickey for at least saying his goal is to win now.

Frankly, if when they restructure Carr, they'll have money to work with in FA so it could work. We'd be right back here next year but 10 wins is conceivable.

My offseason targets would be

Free Agents:
Becton for LG
Bolton LB from Chiefs

Draft:
Trade back from #9 to around 12 for another pick in the top 40

TE Tyler Warren
DE Walter Nolen
S Xavier Watts

Well I’m glad Kellen has that spirit about him…that’s what you want in a head coach,Mickey on the other hand seems like he’s always in win now mode. Maybe some are ok with constantly restructuring contracts, but at some point enough is enough. At some point you got to clear things and reset. That’s my perspective on what philosophy we should go with..it’s not like it doesn’t work.

I like the idea of trading back in the draft, but I hope we don’t select a TE with our first pick. Those lines, especially on the defensive side of the ball and linebackers need to be hit hard, and I’d like to see it go through the next few drafts. There’s a time when you can afford to select a luxury position high up, but right now isn’t it imo. Even if Jeanty fell to us, as much as I’d absolutely hate to pass on him, I feel we have more important issues to address.
I do like your other choices though

saintsfan1976 · 02-28-2025, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Well I’m glad Kellen has that spirit about him…that’s what you want in a head coach,Mickey on the other hand seems like he’s always in win now mode. Maybe some are ok with constantly restructuring contracts, but at some point enough is enough. At some point you got to clear things and reset. That’s my perspective on what philosophy we should go with..it’s not like it doesn’t work.

I like the idea of trading back in the draft, but I hope we don’t select a TE with our first pick. Those lines, especially on the defensive side of the ball and linebackers need to be hit hard, and I’d like to see it go through the next few drafts. There’s a time when you can afford to select a luxury position high up, but right now isn’t it imo. Even if Jeanty fell to us, as much as I’d absolutely hate to pass on him, I feel we have more important issues to address.
I do like your other choices though

That's why Free Agency trumps the draft until the draft comes.

Mr.Riaton · 02-28-2025, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

That's why Free Agency trumps the draft until the draft comes.

Can you imagine if we had the money to afford a few top tier free agents?
Would make the draft much more fun

iceshack149 · 02-28-2025, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

With Carr still at the helm, there will be pain.

Are you going to do this on repeat again all year?

AsylumGuido · 02-28-2025, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Are you going to do this on repeat again all year?

It's all the sinner guy knows.

saintsfan1976 · 03-01-2025, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Can you imagine if we had the money to afford a few top tier free agents?
Would make the draft much more fun

Once Carr's contract is restructured there could be enough money to attract the right FAs. Loomis stated publicly they'd be more active in FA this season. But you can never take what he says to be true so who knows what he actually means by "active".

Bottom line, the right players are more important than number of players.

Like I said before Mekhi Becton at LG would solidify the line. That's our biggest expense but worth it - ask Kellen...

Noah Brown (worked with Moore in Dallas) 35 receptions, 453 yards, 86.4 passer rating when targeted, offers dependable hands and depth at a bargain price. He’s worked with Moore in Dallas (2018-2022), ensuring scheme familiarity. At 29, he’s a low-risk, high-reward No. 3 receiver behind Olave and Shaheed.

Dalton Risner could be a budget move...a 29-year-old guard from the Vikings, excels as a run-blocker and offers solid pass protection (66.7 PFF grade in 2024). Moore’s offense leans on a strong interior line to protect Carr and open lanes for Alvin Kamara. Risner’s durability (15+ starts in four of six seasons) addresses the left guard hole.

Alim McNeill a 24-year-old Lions standout, is a rising star on the interior (5 sacks, 33 tackles in 2024). Staley’s 3-4 scheme thrived with Aaron Donald in 2020; McNeill’s disruptiveness (80.2 PFF run defense grade) can anchor the Saints’ front, plugging their run defense woes alongside Bryan Bresee.

Ernest Jones, a 25-year-old former Ram traded to the Titans then Seahawks in 2024, is a tackling machine (138 tackles across two teams in 2024) with improving coverage chops (80.3 PFF grade). Staley coached him in LA (2021-2023), making him a plug-and-play fit for the Saints’ 3-4. His run-stopping (46 stops) would pair with McNeill’s interior presence to fix the Saints’ 31st-ranked rush defense, while his youth signals a post-Davis future.

Nick Bolton, (my favorite) a 24-year-old Chiefs star (106 tackles, 3 sacks, 11 TFLs in 2024), is the full package—aggressive downhill against the run (83.2 PFF run defense grade) and adequate in coverage (89.4 passer rating allowed). He’s been a three-year starter on a dynasty defense, logging 40 postseason tackles in 2024 alone. For Staley, Bolton’s a dream: a tone-setter akin to Fred Warner, capable of masking secondary weaknesses and leading the Saints’ front seven. He’d transform their defense alongside McNeill.

02-28-2025, 11:21 AM	#21
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? I wish I could take every division championship banner we have, eat only at mexican food buffets for a week, go on antibiotics, use the banners as toilet paper, and then burn them. Winning a weak division is a weak goal. We are competing in a beauty contest open only to garbage collectors and bragging about how 2 years ago we got 2nd place. I don't care if there are only 5-10 QBs in the league that are way better than Carr. There are many QBs in the league who are young enough to become way better. Carr had peaked and is starting to break down. The play he double-injured himself on against the Giants was the lowest IQ play in the league last year. Rattler may be high risk but he has a higher ceiling. A 2026 draft pick like Manning or Nussmeir would have a higher ceiling. A young QB who never quite reaches Carr's peak, but gets close while making only $2 million a year, would give our team a higher ceiling. I don't want to win the NFC South and get embaressed in the playoffs. Been there done that. I would refuse any division championship banner representing single digit wins, because it would be celebrating mediocrity. We need a culture of excellence. Derek Carr is not excellent. He isn't a leader. He is Matt Ryan 2.0. Derek Carr is karma's curse on our fanbase for reveling in the suffering of all Falcons fans during the Matt Ryan era. Finally Atlanta tired of Matt Ryan. They did not have a better option in place but they moved on anyway. Turns out that Ryan did not exactly win rings when he left. Now they have options at least, though I think Penix will get hurt. Why do we have to relive the Matt Ryan era with Derek Carr. The only smart thing the Falcons ever did was get rid of Matt Ryan, and we need to move on from his clone. Sinner likes this.
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02-28-2025, 12:00 PM	#22
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Oh, I get it. I just know it is what it is and I make the best of it, as I do everything. It's all in how you choose to look at things. If somehow another Drew Brees or Tom Brady walked onto the scene I'd be volunteering to help load Carr's moving van, but that's not happening. I want exactly what Kellen Moore wants, to put the best viable option out on the field today and that is Carr given what we currently have on our roster today. I would dance with joy if we were to draft a QB that turns out to be starter quality and could take over in 2026. What you are wanting and *****ing about is something that is not available. It's you that does not get that. Gonna be (another) lonnnnnng season. See you here! 😉⚜️😜
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02-28-2025, 01:25 PM	#23
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Honestly, there is a long time between here and the beginning of the season. So much is going to change with the draft and free agency.

02-28-2025, 02:24 PM	#24
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by iceshack149 Honestly, there is a long time between here and the beginning of the season. So much is going to change with the draft and free agency. With Carr still at the helm, there will be pain.
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02-28-2025, 02:26 PM	#25
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,285	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Well I do like that Kellen has publicly stated they want to contend for the division. And kudos to Mickey for at least saying his goal is to win now. Frankly, if when they restructure Carr, they'll have money to work with in FA so it could work. We'd be right back here next year but 10 wins is conceivable. My offseason targets would be Free Agents: Becton for LG Bolton LB from Chiefs Draft: Trade back from #9 to around 12 for another pick in the top 40 TE Tyler Warren DE Walter Nolen S Xavier Watts Well I’m glad Kellen has that spirit about him…that’s what you want in a head coach,Mickey on the other hand seems like he’s always in win now mode. Maybe some are ok with constantly restructuring contracts, but at some point enough is enough. At some point you got to clear things and reset. That’s my perspective on what philosophy we should go with..it’s not like it doesn’t work. I like the idea of trading back in the draft, but I hope we don’t select a TE with our first pick. Those lines, especially on the defensive side of the ball and linebackers need to be hit hard, and I’d like to see it go through the next few drafts. There’s a time when you can afford to select a luxury position high up, but right now isn’t it imo. Even if Jeanty fell to us, as much as I’d absolutely hate to pass on him, I feel we have more important issues to address. I do like your other choices though

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02-28-2025, 02:40 PM	#26
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Well I’m glad Kellen has that spirit about him…that’s what you want in a head coach,Mickey on the other hand seems like he’s always in win now mode. Maybe some are ok with constantly restructuring contracts, but at some point enough is enough. At some point you got to clear things and reset. That’s my perspective on what philosophy we should go with..it’s not like it doesn’t work. I like the idea of trading back in the draft, but I hope we don’t select a TE with our first pick. Those lines, especially on the defensive side of the ball and linebackers need to be hit hard, and I’d like to see it go through the next few drafts. There’s a time when you can afford to select a luxury position high up, but right now isn’t it imo. Even if Jeanty fell to us, as much as I’d absolutely hate to pass on him, I feel we have more important issues to address. I do like your other choices though That's why Free Agency trumps the draft until the draft comes.

02-28-2025, 02:49 PM	#27
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,285	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 That's why Free Agency trumps the draft until the draft comes. Can you imagine if we had the money to afford a few top tier free agents? Would make the draft much more fun

02-28-2025, 03:51 PM	#28
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Sinner With Carr still at the helm, there will be pain. Are you going to do this on repeat again all year? jnormand, Danno and AsylumGuido like this.

02-28-2025, 04:36 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by iceshack149 Are you going to do this on repeat again all year? It's all the sinner guy knows.

03-01-2025, 06:32 AM	#30
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Can you imagine if we had the money to afford a few top tier free agents? Would make the draft much more fun Once Carr's contract is restructured there could be enough money to attract the right FAs. Loomis stated publicly they'd be more active in FA this season. But you can never take what he says to be true so who knows what he actually means by "active". Bottom line, the right players are more important than number of players. Like I said before Mekhi Becton at LG would solidify the line. That's our biggest expense but worth it - ask Kellen... Noah Brown (worked with Moore in Dallas) 35 receptions, 453 yards, 86.4 passer rating when targeted, offers dependable hands and depth at a bargain price. He’s worked with Moore in Dallas (2018-2022), ensuring scheme familiarity. At 29, he’s a low-risk, high-reward No. 3 receiver behind Olave and Shaheed. Dalton Risner could be a budget move...a 29-year-old guard from the Vikings, excels as a run-blocker and offers solid pass protection (66.7 PFF grade in 2024). Moore’s offense leans on a strong interior line to protect Carr and open lanes for Alvin Kamara. Risner’s durability (15+ starts in four of six seasons) addresses the left guard hole. Alim McNeill a 24-year-old Lions standout, is a rising star on the interior (5 sacks, 33 tackles in 2024). Staley’s 3-4 scheme thrived with Aaron Donald in 2020; McNeill’s disruptiveness (80.2 PFF run defense grade) can anchor the Saints’ front, plugging their run defense woes alongside Bryan Bresee. Ernest Jones, a 25-year-old former Ram traded to the Titans then Seahawks in 2024, is a tackling machine (138 tackles across two teams in 2024) with improving coverage chops (80.3 PFF grade). Staley coached him in LA (2021-2023), making him a plug-and-play fit for the Saints’ 3-4. His run-stopping (46 stops) would pair with McNeill’s interior presence to fix the Saints’ 31st-ranked rush defense, while his youth signals a post-Davis future. Nick Bolton, (my favorite) a 24-year-old Chiefs star (106 tackles, 3 sacks, 11 TFLs in 2024), is the full package—aggressive downhill against the run (83.2 PFF run defense grade) and adequate in coverage (89.4 passer rating allowed). He’s been a three-year starter on a dynasty defense, logging 40 postseason tackles in 2024 alone. For Staley, Bolton’s a dream: a tone-setter akin to Fred Warner, capable of masking secondary weaknesses and leading the Saints’ front seven. He’d transform their defense alongside McNeill. Danno and AsylumGuido like this.