CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

saintsfan1976 · 03-02-2025, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I appreciate your thorough explanation and thought 76. I understand we can always get under the cap to make things happen in free agency to an extent, and we can build a decent roster that way, but it always seems like our teams are thin.
Also by continuing to keep restructuring contracts it keeps us constantly in the hole and keeps us with players longer than we should. If we were succeeding with this formula I’d be fine, but we’re not. Our 5-12 record shows that.
I really just want a young competitive team with good depth and it seems like this is not the proper way to go about it. I haven’t seen anything indicative of that.

Yes, the practice of restructuring can and will leave you with other, less productive players but I would argue a more likely reason for the "thin" roster is continual trading up in the draft.

SmashMouth · 03-02-2025, 08:42 AM

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news...ack-derek-carr

Whatever the Saints leak out via the media and whatever others sources say, it's never over until it's over.

saintsfan1976 · 03-02-2025, 08:52 AM

Key quote:

"The Steelers had their eye on the Saints situation and they wanna see if they eventually do cut Carr. If so they’re in,"

K Major · 03-02-2025, 10:35 AM

Meh 😒…

Another year & another excuse for Carr. “Hey it’s a new system”, “he has a new head coach”, “it’s team rebuilding around him”, blah, blah, blah.

But hey, this is YEAR 12! But maybe this is the year he will finally put it all together.

SmashMouth · 03-02-2025, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meh 😒…

Another year & another excuse for Carr. “Hey it’s a new system”, “he has a new head coach”, “it’s team rebuilding around him”, blah, blah, blah.

But hey, this is YEAR 12! But maybe this is the year he will finally put it all together.

Hence why I was amongst the first last year to jump off the Carr wagon. His benefit of the doubt was extended with the new OC last year, but in reality the sign were always there, even before his signing. Raiders fans knew all along and warned us too. That decision to sign Carr falls on DA and Loomis. Just think where we'd be cap wise sans Carr's contract?

Hopefully HC Moore disposes of Carr with the quickness, and with a trade if at all possible. Pittsburgh Steelers keep coming up.

Mr.Riaton · 03-02-2025, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Yes, the practice of restructuring can and will leave you with other, less productive players but I would argue a more likely reason for the "thin" roster is continual trading up in the draft.

Id say a lack of good scouting. Probably poor scheme fits as well

iceshack149 · 03-02-2025, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I actually blocked him and unblocked Guido. Lol.

I’m about to do that as well. At least Guido brings something of value to this site.

Sinner · 03-02-2025, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I actually blocked him and unblocked Guido. Lol.

You blocked me but you’re commenting on my thread. Just like Guido. Hilarious.

Sinner · 03-02-2025, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I’m about to do that as well. At least Guido brings something of value to this site.

You too? With a “block” function as impotent as Guido’s “ignore”, you’re both almost as impotent as Carr at QB.

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2025, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I just don’t like or want that. That’s like maxing out a high interest credit card to pay off your mortgage over several years when you have the money to do it now. Then using the excuse that your credit limit will PROBABLY go up next year. This all so you can avoid having to buckle down and take care of it because you want to buy some things that you don’t need right now. It’s stupid and irresponsible.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is why our cap is in the mess it is. I get that he needs to play under his contract this year. But I’d prefer we do it and get rid of him next year and eat the dead money. Not kick it down the road and pay for it for years when he’s not on the team. I’d rather the team use that money for someone that will help the team and actually be on the roster.

The money has already been used. And already is not available for other uses. It's simply when it is accounted for. The total is the same regardless of when it is applied. Your credit card example isn't valid because it has interest which increases the total amount. Prorating salary against future caps is like a no interest credit card which lets you pay it off later when your income has increased.

A better example is purchasing a car for cash or using a zero interest 60 month loan for the same total sales price. Financing at 0% is always better. It gives you greater cash flow and allows you to earn interest instead.

But, that's just my take on it. It is what it is. As long as I have Saints football to watch in the Fall I'm happy one way or the other.

03-02-2025, 05:22 AM	#41
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I appreciate your thorough explanation and thought 76. I understand we can always get under the cap to make things happen in free agency to an extent, and we can build a decent roster that way, but it always seems like our teams are thin. Also by continuing to keep restructuring contracts it keeps us constantly in the hole and keeps us with players longer than we should. If we were succeeding with this formula I’d be fine, but we’re not. Our 5-12 record shows that. I really just want a young competitive team with good depth and it seems like this is not the proper way to go about it. I haven’t seen anything indicative of that. Yes, the practice of restructuring can and will leave you with other, less productive players but I would argue a more likely reason for the "thin" roster is continual trading up in the draft. Rugby Saint II and Mr.Riaton like this.

03-02-2025, 08:42 AM	#42
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,472 Blog Entries: 29	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news...ack-derek-carr Whatever the Saints leak out via the media and whatever others sources say, it's never over until it's over. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,735 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Meh 😒… Another year & another excuse for Carr. “Hey it’s a new system”, “he has a new head coach”, “it’s team rebuilding around him”, blah, blah, blah. But hey, this is YEAR 12! But maybe this is the year he will finally put it all together. jnormand, turbo_dog, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

03-02-2025, 11:28 AM	#45
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,472 Blog Entries: 29	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by K Major Meh 😒… Another year & another excuse for Carr. “Hey it’s a new system”, “he has a new head coach”, “it’s team rebuilding around him”, blah, blah, blah. But hey, this is YEAR 12! But maybe this is the year he will finally put it all together. Hence why I was amongst the first last year to jump off the Carr wagon. His benefit of the doubt was extended with the new OC last year, but in reality the sign were always there, even before his signing. Raiders fans knew all along and warned us too. That decision to sign Carr falls on DA and Loomis. Just think where we'd be cap wise sans Carr's contract? Hopefully HC Moore disposes of Carr with the quickness, and with a trade if at all possible. Pittsburgh Steelers keep coming up. Sinner likes this.

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03-02-2025, 02:34 PM	#46
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,285	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Yes, the practice of restructuring can and will leave you with other, less productive players but I would argue a more likely reason for the "thin" roster is continual trading up in the draft. Id say a lack of good scouting. Probably poor scheme fits as well

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by jnormand I actually blocked him and unblocked Guido. Lol. I’m about to do that as well. At least Guido brings something of value to this site. jnormand and Sinner like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by jnormand I actually blocked him and unblocked Guido. Lol. You blocked me but you’re commenting on my thread. Just like Guido. Hilarious.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by iceshack149 I’m about to do that as well. At least Guido brings something of value to this site. You too? With a “block” function as impotent as Guido’s “ignore”, you’re both almost as impotent as Carr at QB.
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03-03-2025, 08:29 AM	#50
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by jnormand I just don’t like or want that. That’s like maxing out a high interest credit card to pay off your mortgage over several years when you have the money to do it now. Then using the excuse that your credit limit will PROBABLY go up next year. This all so you can avoid having to buckle down and take care of it because you want to buy some things that you don’t need right now. It’s stupid and irresponsible. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is why our cap is in the mess it is. I get that he needs to play under his contract this year. But I’d prefer we do it and get rid of him next year and eat the dead money. Not kick it down the road and pay for it for years when he’s not on the team. I’d rather the team use that money for someone that will help the team and actually be on the roster. The money has already been used. And already is not available for other uses. It's simply when it is accounted for. The total is the same regardless of when it is applied. Your credit card example isn't valid because it has interest which increases the total amount. Prorating salary against future caps is like a no interest credit card which lets you pay it off later when your income has increased. A better example is purchasing a car for cash or using a zero interest 60 month loan for the same total sales price. Financing at 0% is always better. It gives you greater cash flow and allows you to earn interest instead. But, that's just my take on it. It is what it is. As long as I have Saints football to watch in the Fall I'm happy one way or the other.
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