CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

jnormand · 03-03-2025, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way.

I understand what you’re saying. I would rather pay him all his money owed THIS YEAR and cut him after the season instead of converting his money owed this year and tying up resources for seasons to come. No thanks. Take the hit this year. Have a ****ty team and move on from his disastrous contract after this season so we can start getting better in 2026. I don’t want Carr on the books in 2027 and 2028 just so we can field some mediocre team this season. Horrible idea. Good grief no.

I get that you’re fine with it. That’s all good for you. Maybe it even makes more sense to you. It just doesn’t for me and I don’t like it. I just want the team to pay for guys on the team. Not for some guy they really don’t want but are forced to stick with because they had to restructure 2 or 3 times just to get under the cap before they cut his ass. Then pay him for 2 or 3 seasons after he’s gone. That’s just bad business IMO.

I respect your right to your own opinion but you’re not gonna change mine man.

BakoSaint · 03-03-2025, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear.

I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last.

Sinner · 03-03-2025, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last.

THANK YOU. ^^^ THAT is what a REAL FAN talks about.

spkb25 · 03-04-2025, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

At least you’re honest when you say, you still don’t get it.

Oh yeah, and he quit on the team in December last year, again. Wonder where he is spending all the money he won from his bet against vegas

saintsfan1976 · 03-04-2025, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. Carr isn't a QB that can take a poor team on his shoulders and take them to consistent wins. There's only a handful of those in the league today. His contract puts him in the middle of the pack in current contracts. With the Raiders he never had a defense that ranked above the bottom four in the league. With the Saints he's had nothing but what could be considered one of the worst offensive lines in the league and historic rashes of injuries across the spectrum.

And, yes, I'd love to have one of those handful of elite QB's. And a great offensive line. And a team full of healthy players. But we don't now. Regardless of what Carr is getting paid right now I believe he's the best we have available. And I can see why Kellen Moore thinks the same. Moore doesn't care about contracts or how much a player is getting paid. All he wants to do is put the best players available currently on the field now. That's his job as a head coach.

I am all for drafting another QB and hoping he can be a better option sooner than later. Neither Haener or Rattler have shown any signs of being that answer yet.

Are there better QB's out there? Yes, but not available, that's for sure.

I will concede that Carr may be our best option at the moment. Despite your attempt to defend him and his contract with stats, he does NOT deserve to be paid his current deal and IMO should take a pay cut that the team can in turn use to build out it's roster.

If he doesn't like that, try making more money on the open market buddy boy.

rezburna · 03-04-2025, 09:29 AM

Carr has to go. I don't care what they have to do. He has to go. He doesn't fit the direction of this team or the vibe of this city. I'm like most...I rather watch us go 0-17 with Spencer Rattler than watch us go 8-9 with Carr.

Cam Ward
Shedeur Sanders
Jaxson Dart
Quinn Ewers
Dillon Gabriel
Will Howard

I'd rather us plug in any of those rookies for a trial by fire.

SmashMouth · 03-04-2025, 10:42 AM

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/stor...n/76866970007/

Sinner · 03-04-2025, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Carr has to go. I don't care what they have to do. He has to go. He doesn't fit the direction of this team or the vibe of this city. I'm like most...I rather watch us go 0-17 with Spencer Rattler than watch us go 8-9 with Carr.

Cam Ward
Shedeur Sanders
Jaxson Dart
Quinn Ewers
Dillon Gabriel
Will Howard

I'd rather us plug in any of those rookies for a trial by fire.

THANK YOU.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2025, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

THANK YOU.

Just a heads up. There's a Caps Lock key that should be on the left side of your keyboard.

Rugby Saint II · 03-04-2025, 06:27 PM

The contract only makes sense if you keep him and mildly restructure his contract so the cap hits don't hit us all at once.

If the Saints are healthy I think Carr can win the division.

03-03-2025, 07:31 PM	#61
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way. I understand what you’re saying. I would rather pay him all his money owed THIS YEAR and cut him after the season instead of converting his money owed this year and tying up resources for seasons to come. No thanks. Take the hit this year. Have a ****ty team and move on from his disastrous contract after this season so we can start getting better in 2026. I don’t want Carr on the books in 2027 and 2028 just so we can field some mediocre team this season. Horrible idea. Good grief no. I get that you’re fine with it. That’s all good for you. Maybe it even makes more sense to you. It just doesn’t for me and I don’t like it. I just want the team to pay for guys on the team. Not for some guy they really don’t want but are forced to stick with because they had to restructure 2 or 3 times just to get under the cap before they cut his ass. Then pay him for 2 or 3 seasons after he’s gone. That’s just bad business IMO. I respect your right to your own opinion but you’re not gonna change mine man. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-03-2025, 08:23 PM	#62
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear. I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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03-03-2025, 11:08 PM	#63
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by BakoSaint I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last. THANK YOU. ^^^ THAT is what a REAL FAN talks about.
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03-04-2025, 05:12 AM	#64
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Sinner At least you’re honest when you say, you still don’t get it. Oh yeah, and he quit on the team in December last year, again. Wonder where he is spending all the money he won from his bet against vegas Sinner likes this.

03-04-2025, 07:13 AM	#65
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. Carr isn't a QB that can take a poor team on his shoulders and take them to consistent wins. There's only a handful of those in the league today. His contract puts him in the middle of the pack in current contracts. With the Raiders he never had a defense that ranked above the bottom four in the league. With the Saints he's had nothing but what could be considered one of the worst offensive lines in the league and historic rashes of injuries across the spectrum. And, yes, I'd love to have one of those handful of elite QB's. And a great offensive line. And a team full of healthy players. But we don't now. Regardless of what Carr is getting paid right now I believe he's the best we have available. And I can see why Kellen Moore thinks the same. Moore doesn't care about contracts or how much a player is getting paid. All he wants to do is put the best players available currently on the field now. That's his job as a head coach. I am all for drafting another QB and hoping he can be a better option sooner than later. Neither Haener or Rattler have shown any signs of being that answer yet. Are there better QB's out there? Yes, but not available, that's for sure. I will concede that Carr may be our best option at the moment. Despite your attempt to defend him and his contract with stats, he does NOT deserve to be paid his current deal and IMO should take a pay cut that the team can in turn use to build out it's roster. If he doesn't like that, try making more money on the open market buddy boy.

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03-04-2025, 09:29 AM	#66
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Carr has to go. I don't care what they have to do. He has to go. He doesn't fit the direction of this team or the vibe of this city. I'm like most...I rather watch us go 0-17 with Spencer Rattler than watch us go 8-9 with Carr. Cam Ward Shedeur Sanders Jaxson Dart Quinn Ewers Dillon Gabriel Will Howard I'd rather us plug in any of those rookies for a trial by fire. saintsfan1976 and Sinner like this.

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03-04-2025, 05:11 PM	#68
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by rezburna Carr has to go. I don't care what they have to do. He has to go. He doesn't fit the direction of this team or the vibe of this city. I'm like most...I rather watch us go 0-17 with Spencer Rattler than watch us go 8-9 with Carr. Cam Ward Shedeur Sanders Jaxson Dart Quinn Ewers Dillon Gabriel Will Howard I'd rather us plug in any of those rookies for a trial by fire. THANK YOU.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Sinner THANK YOU. Just a heads up. There's a Caps Lock key that should be on the left side of your keyboard.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? The contract only makes sense if you keep him and mildly restructure his contract so the cap hits don't hit us all at once. If the Saints are healthy I think Carr can win the division.