CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2025, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

is the deadline for restructure March 12?

Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes.

saintsfan1976 · 03-06-2025, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes.

I meant for Carr's contract specifically

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2025, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I meant for Carr's contract specifically

In a manner of speaking, probably. I mean, it may be possible to get to cap compliancy using every other restructure possible, but if his is vital to their plans, then yes, I suppose that would be their deadline.

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2025, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

In a manner of speaking, probably. I mean, it may be possible to get to cap compliancy using every other restructure possible, but if his is vital to their plans, then yes, I suppose that would be their deadline.

Okay. Spotrac.com has a cool roster management tool that let's you apply conversions in a "what if" scenario. I was able to get the Saints to top 51 cap compliance without touching Carr using only base salary conversions to signing bonus. These take no input from the players.

Players converted:

Jordan
Hill
Kamara
Davis
Mathieu
Granderson
Ruiz
Shepherd

Total top 51 cap space available: $1,176,729

In other words, no, May 12th is not a hard deadline to restructure Carr.

BakoSaint · 03-06-2025, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I meant for Carr's contract specifically

Carr's 2025 base salary of $30 million becomes fully guaranteed on March 15, so March 15 would be the deadline to act if we cut Carr or if we did a restructure that involved an actual pay cut with the leverage of being able to cut Carr. After March 15, Carr would have no incentive to take any pay cut, because his salary would be guaranteed, so any restructure after that date would either be kicking the can, or adding future guarantees that exceed present reductions.

Sinner · 03-06-2025, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Carr's 2025 base salary of $30 million becomes fully guaranteed on March 15, so March 15 would be the deadline to act if we cut Carr or if we did a restructure that involved an actual pay cut with the leverage of being able to cut Carr. After March 15, Carr would have no incentive to take any pay cut, because his salary would be guaranteed, so any restructure after that date would either be kicking the can, or adding future guarantees that exceed present reductions.

We definitely know how to kick the can.

BakoSaint · 03-06-2025, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Okay. Spotrac.com has a cool roster management tool that let's you apply conversions in a "what if" scenario. I was able to get the Saints to top 51 cap compliance without touching Carr using only base salary conversions to signing bonus. These take no input from the players.

Players converted:

Jordan
Hill
Kamara
Davis
Mathieu
Granderson
Ruiz
Shepherd

Total top 51 cap space available: $1,176,729

In other words, no, May 12th is not a hard deadline to restructure Carr.

We could also get a little further under the cap if any players elect to reduce salary to set up a June retirement, agree to a true salary reduction and restructure, or if any other players are willing to reduce their 2025 salary in return for a guaranteed 2026 bonus instead of a 2025 bonus (willing to get their check later). A restructure can reduce immediately salary 80% by being spread over 5 years, but if they take a true pay cut that reduces the total amount spread over those years, and if they take a 2026 bonus that could I believe be spread over 2026-2030 but they dont get their check until next March. If a player plans to retire, like Ram, they could reduce their salary to the vet minimum, then retire in June, so all the additional dead cap hits in 2026.

hitta · 03-08-2025, 05:44 AM

I think Kellen Moore makes a great coordinator. I'm not convinced he's a head coach though and I'm very worried about the hire. I hope I am very wrong.

When Payton was hired, he brought a wisdom and stability with him that I feel does not exist with Kellen Moore.

Sinner · 03-08-2025, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Kellen Moore makes a great coordinator. I'm not convinced he's a head coach though and I'm very worried about the hire. I hope I am very wrong.

When Payton was hired, he brought a wisdom and stability with him that I feel does not exist with Kellen Moore.

Payton also had Drew Brees. We got Carrbage now.

SmashMouth · 03-08-2025, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

is the deadline for restructure March 12?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I meant for Carr's contract specifically

The 17th I think is related to his injury or status thereof. Its salary implications could be big. Both dates are probably very relevant .

03-06-2025, 09:59 AM	#81
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 is the deadline for restructure March 12? Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes.

03-06-2025, 10:33 AM	#82
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes. I meant for Carr's contract specifically

03-06-2025, 10:50 AM	#83
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I meant for Carr's contract specifically In a manner of speaking, probably. I mean, it may be possible to get to cap compliancy using every other restructure possible, but if his is vital to their plans, then yes, I suppose that would be their deadline.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido In a manner of speaking, probably. I mean, it may be possible to get to cap compliancy using every other restructure possible, but if his is vital to their plans, then yes, I suppose that would be their deadline. Okay. Spotrac.com has a cool roster management tool that let's you apply conversions in a "what if" scenario. I was able to get the Saints to top 51 cap compliance without touching Carr using only base salary conversions to signing bonus. These take no input from the players. Players converted: Jordan Hill Kamara Davis Mathieu Granderson Ruiz Shepherd Total top 51 cap space available: $1,176,729 In other words, no, May 12th is not a hard deadline to restructure Carr. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I meant for Carr's contract specifically Carr's 2025 base salary of $30 million becomes fully guaranteed on March 15, so March 15 would be the deadline to act if we cut Carr or if we did a restructure that involved an actual pay cut with the leverage of being able to cut Carr. After March 15, Carr would have no incentive to take any pay cut, because his salary would be guaranteed, so any restructure after that date would either be kicking the can, or adding future guarantees that exceed present reductions. saintsfan1976 and Sinner like this.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Carr's 2025 base salary of $30 million becomes fully guaranteed on March 15, so March 15 would be the deadline to act if we cut Carr or if we did a restructure that involved an actual pay cut with the leverage of being able to cut Carr. After March 15, Carr would have no incentive to take any pay cut, because his salary would be guaranteed, so any restructure after that date would either be kicking the can, or adding future guarantees that exceed present reductions. We definitely know how to kick the can.
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03-06-2025, 02:57 PM	#87
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Okay. Spotrac.com has a cool roster management tool that let's you apply conversions in a "what if" scenario. I was able to get the Saints to top 51 cap compliance without touching Carr using only base salary conversions to signing bonus. These take no input from the players. Players converted: Jordan Hill Kamara Davis Mathieu Granderson Ruiz Shepherd Total top 51 cap space available: $1,176,729 In other words, no, May 12th is not a hard deadline to restructure Carr. We could also get a little further under the cap if any players elect to reduce salary to set up a June retirement, agree to a true salary reduction and restructure, or if any other players are willing to reduce their 2025 salary in return for a guaranteed 2026 bonus instead of a 2025 bonus (willing to get their check later). A restructure can reduce immediately salary 80% by being spread over 5 years, but if they take a true pay cut that reduces the total amount spread over those years, and if they take a 2026 bonus that could I believe be spread over 2026-2030 but they dont get their check until next March. If a player plans to retire, like Ram, they could reduce their salary to the vet minimum, then retire in June, so all the additional dead cap hits in 2026.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by hitta I think Kellen Moore makes a great coordinator. I'm not convinced he's a head coach though and I'm very worried about the hire. I hope I am very wrong. When Payton was hired, he brought a wisdom and stability with him that I feel does not exist with Kellen Moore. Payton also had Drew Brees. We got Carrbage now.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,472 Blog Entries: 29	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 is the deadline for restructure March 12? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, and, no. 4:00 ET March 12 is the deadline for cap compliance concerning the top 51 cap figures. Restructures can, and will, continue to keep making additional space for all other purposes. Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I meant for Carr's contract specifically The 17th I think is related to his injury or status thereof. Its salary implications could be big. Both dates are probably very relevant .